Monday, March 9, 2009

YouTube, the UK and the Performing Rights Society for Music

We have invested a lot of time and effort trying to ensure that our community can find and enjoy the music they love, and we have strong partnerships with three of the four largest record labels in the world, as well as many independent labels. But copyrights in music can get pretty complicated. For example, there may be several different copyrights in a single music video, controlled by different organizations with different interests. The visual elements and the sound recording of a music video are typically owned by a record label, while the music and lyrics of the song being performed are owned separately by one or more music publishers. These publishers often designate organizations called collecting societies to issue licenses and collect royalties on their behalf. In the UK we've had a license from the collecting society called PRS for Music to make music videos provided by our record label partners available to our users in the UK.



Our previous license from PRS for Music has expired, and we've been unable so far to come to an agreement to renew it on terms that are economically sustainable for us. There are two obstacles in these negotiations: prohibitive licensing fees and lack of transparency. We value the creativity of musicians and songwriters and have worked hard with rights-holders to generate significant online revenue for them and to respect copyright. But PRS is now asking us to pay many, many times more for our license than before. The costs are simply prohibitive for us -- under PRS's proposed terms we would lose significant amounts of money with every playback. In addition, PRS is unwilling to tell us what songs are included in the license they can provide so that we can identify those works on YouTube -- that's like asking a consumer to buy an unmarked CD without knowing what musicians are on it.



We're still working with PRS for Music in an effort to reach mutually acceptable terms for a new license, but until we do so we will be blocking premium music videos in the UK that have been supplied or claimed by record labels. This was a painful decision, and we know the significant disappointment it will cause within the UK. And to be clear, this is not an issue with the record labels, with most of whom we have strong relationships.



While negotiations continue, we'll still be working to create more ways to compensate musicians and other rights-holders on YouTube. In addition to various advertising options, we recently introduced a click-to-buy feature that enables fans to purchase downloads of their favorite songs. We're also proud of our Content ID tools that help rights owners identify their content and even use the power of our community to increase advertising and revenue potential.



We will continue to seek partnerships that benefit our community, music publishers, music labels and, of course, musicians and songwriters, and we will work hard with anybody who shares this commitment. We hope that professional music videos will soon be back on YouTube for our users in the UK to enjoy, and if and when that time comes, you can be sure that you'll be the first to know.


Yours,

Patrick Walker

Director of Video Partnerships, Europe, Middle East and Africa

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NorthPlum said...

Why are most people here blaming YouTube. They are a business. If it is economically unsound to show videos and if they are making losses because of it, it would be stupid for them to continue. If PRS kept the same contract they had before with YouTube there would be no issue.

Damn.

maggiesmonster said...

Anyone who blames YouTube here, or even suggests that they are money hungry, really needs to look up what PRS is up to (and what they stand for). They are calling small business who play the radio to 3-4 employees and telling the business that they have to pay a licencing fee. PRS is greedy, and wants to use the profits of the parent company of YouTube as an excuse to charge extortionate rates. PRS, stop using the "starving artist" arguement to justify what amounts to you trying to gain money from a system that doesn't make that much off you and your work. And get out of the stone age, and realise that video streaming isn't the same thing as radio. Your charges should reflect a changing time / medium.

somberlight said...

it is still interesting to see the opinion being so divided, either the PRS and the rest of them are moneygrubbing bastards or youtube just simply has to bend over and enjoy a fiscal/legal gangrape because people say so. sadly, truth is not that black and white. youtube is a medium for freeloaders to upload everything, and prs on the other hand supports dead businessmodels to their eventual death. this is internet, believe nothing you read

sphericthor said...

Those defending the policies of PRS need to realize that the videos are still being viewed from outside the UK so all those songwriters that they like to think they're representing are still getting paid. This issue is only affecting the UK but 6 weeks without a response or update is beyond a joke.

homininid said...

typical power struggle BS that makes all suffer...

MePwnzoresXD said...

ouch..
i really hope PRS and YT settle this fast..i can't watch my anime.

toptechnosongs said...

sigh...

zasty101 said...

WHY CAN'T I WATCH WHAT I WANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE ANIMES THAT BRING A LOT OF PEOPLE TO YOUTUBE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IN JAPANESE!!!!!!!!!!!! THAT'S WHERE THEY ORIGINALLY CAME FROM AND YOU PEOPLE WON'T LET US AMERICANS WATCH IT!!!!!!! THIS IS ILLEGAL FOR YOU TO DO THESE THINGS!!!!!!!!! ANIME ISN'T COPY WRITED MATERIAL AND THE THEMES AND PEOPLE AREN'T ALLOWED TO CHANGE THEM!!!!!!!! I CAN WATCH WHAT I WANT AT ANY OTHER SITE, BUT YOU PEOPLE ARE BEING STUPID AND ARE GOING TO HAVE MILLIONS OF COMPLAINTS!!!!!!!!!! SO CHANGE IT BACK OR PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SUE YOU FOR THIS AND THERE REASONS WON'T BE ILLEGAL BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS GOTTEN PERMISSION TO WATCH THIS STUFF FROM THE CREATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NorthPlum said...

SmellyPINEAPPLE, it is not as easy as saying "fix" it. YouTube will have to sign contracts which they will have to PAY for. They need to know what they are getting into.

paulitosway93 said...

damn i feel sorry for all of ul in the uk i live in the us

SmellyPINEAPPLE said...

just fucking fix it will you?

spikenet2001 said...

Where is ol' Paddy Walker??? Seems he needs reminding that we would like an update, especially with the recent announcement about their new vevo.com venture with UMG -- provider of a great percentage of the inaccessible content on Youtube ....

besttechnosongs said...

why would you want to watch anime? jk lol =D

rickreid said...

The fact that some film/music excerpts have been used in videos, not in their entirety but only in a small segment should be seen as a positive thing for labels, artists as it is more likely to encourage people to find out more about that artist and purchase some music than prior to seeing the video. I know I have bought stuff after seeing it on here- sure, if the entire video or song is played then perhaps there is a stronger case, but when you are talking just a minute or so of a track then I think that is more like promotion rather than theft- it's more likey to help an artist grow in influence...

lukeandnoah22 said...

FUCK YOU PATRICK WALKER

newemofriends said...

PRS: still living in a geographic internet? Welcome to 1970!

I do tot think so!

moreglobe3 said...

:-<

tanzschuledesouza said...

Perhaps it would make financial sense to arrange a worldwide (or at least a European) one stop music license with PRS simply excluding Germany?
PRS would presumably have no difficulty coming to a sensible and fair arrangement with other collecting societies.
Simply stopping music & videos in Germany would save vast sums of money as well as continuous headaches and court cases.
This would allow for more energy to be directed in developing Youtube worldwide.
It would seem the fairest option to You tube users, stake holders and the music industry in general.

Deeksin said...

PRS Get a grip you greedy gets we want our videos back!

redqueen1968 said...

by the way Patrick walker how can sleep well at nigt knowing that, your site has caused a lot of anger and comments and disapointment

defiantangelkp said...

It sucks, the only reason I use this is to listen to music. Even on playlist.com I'm unable to listen to music, because it's not available in my country. This sucks, I hope they fix this soon.

jeepster5705 said...

There is a lot of mis-information and ignorance displayed in many of the commentspreviously expressed.
Be aware that:
a) the PRS is a not for profit organisation (take note w35t51d369)
b) Google can well afford to pay the creators of both film and music and songs something for using their material to attract advertising.
c) Most musicians are not rich and put much of their creative work into their spare time-therefore they should at least get something back.
d) Youtube/google were paying virtually nothing previously. I am willing to bet that not one single writer or performer received more than £20 last year-even those with millions of views/hits
I could go on but I will save it for the next round of the argument-watch out Google or you may let baby out with the bathwater!

randalljf said...

@cashcowrecords First of all, don't believe that PRS is some kind of charity or anything. They most certainly are making good money. In fact, if they "can't find" a songwriter or artist to pay, they just keep the money for themselves. Second, I still side with Google in all this. Afterall, they're only playing by the rules PRS set up. YouTube couldn't have music videos up unless it agreed to pay up. YouTube sees that the music videos aren't valuable enough to have to pay what the PRS wants, so they take them down. What's wrong with this? The PRS should be happy because that's how it's set things up, right? However, the PRS realizes that having their artists on YouTube is far more valuable to the record labels than to YouTube. It's free promotion for artists and the labels don't have to upload vidoes or pay for bandwidth or anything. If the PRS was really about the artists' best interests, it should have been enough that they were getting all this exposure with no work and no cost to them. But now since the PRS overvalues the music videos, the ones being hurt here are the artists and they have the demands of the PRS to thank for that, not YouTube.

jeepster5705 said...

Google has to understand it has a duty to pay for the music broadcast on YouTube films: cinema and television recognises that fact and internet broadcasters should be no different.

colcfc123 said...

FUCK YOU PATRICK WALKER

tanzschuledesouza said...

It would seem fool hardy for Youtube / google to pay an unrealistic price for a music license and also irresponsible for a collecting society such as PRS to request an unreasonable amount.
It is only correct that an author, writer or musician should receive a reasonable royalty for their work. This point Youtube has accepted in requesting a music license.

PRS are one of the few collecting societies that are honourable. They are generally able to offer a “fair” price to the user and a high proportion of the royalties subsequently collected end up with the correct artists.
PRS may not be the cheapest in music licensing, but they are comparable to the majority of European agencies, with the exception of the German GEMA who are ca 375% - 400% more expensive than the rest of the world.
It would seem that PRS have lost sight of the fact that the music industry stand to make millions over the next generation via the various internet portals and instead are being influenced by GEMA.

tanzschuledesouza said...

Youtube are not able to increase their advertising prices without losing advertisers. We all know if users were charged a fee for using the service, Youtube would probably end up as one of the “ghost portals”.
You tube may be able to operate an “index linked” price raise providing music royalties are also index linked.
If PRS are able to pull away from the GEMA influence, this may be possible.
If a “reasonable and sensible” arrangement can be made this would benefit the music industry tremendously. If prices are too high the music business will lose millions, Youtube will have to take their music & videos “offline” and piracy & illegal platforms will increase!

The music license industry drastically needs a “re-think” and to accept that music is now a global product and multi million dollar opportunity.

Maybe we should put the heads of Microsoft, Apple, Google, EMI and several others in a round room chaired by “Richard Branson” with the mission of thinking outside of the square and formulating a new music licensing concept.
Ian de Souza

QwertyTSecond said...

http://www.prsformusic.com/contact_us/pages/default.aspx

Crap-flood their inbox.

redqueen1968 said...

this is about the stupidest reason that a large company has come up with yet, this country is going through the worst recession in 20 years and intstead oh helping huge corperations like PRS are grabbing money while they can, its so nasty record labels are so greedy, and its getting worse sort this issue out now before the record bying public turn its back on the whole lot of your greedy shamelss money grabbing souless arses

carolants said...

caroline says
This is stupid and i have noticed its now happening with some tv videos.
I love watching the tudors and went on youtube today to watch season 3 episodes,but no youtube wont let me because of this crap block and it says not avalible in your country,so again its everyone else except the british. YOUTUBE SHOULD JUST PAY UP NOW OR SHOULD i SAY THE IDIOTS WHO ARE GOOGLE.i WOULD LIKE TO KNOW OF ANY OTHER SITES i CAN WATCH THIS ON

a1white said...

PRS's terms are unjustifiably greedy 20% of ALL youtubes profits? Google has to take a stand against this.

gvngrnwy said...

Randalljf: You are being deliberating disingenuous. As a songwriter (NOT artist) if you do not tell the PRS where you have moved to it's your own stupid fault. If you are registered with them they have no difficulty in finding you. And if they can't find you 'they' don't keep the money - it goes back into the 'pot' to be shared by all the other writers, not by some money grabbing executives as you imply. If fact, for eg, for a performance on radio, you can back claim royalties for up to 3 years after the distribution you missed.

w35t51d369 said...

omg you greedy music label bastards, dont you guys make enough money from your popular artists, without the fans you would have nothing so let youtube have the rights to upload videos here so you can broaden your fans.

makalaka15 said...

what a dissapointment to every single uk youtube user.
greedy fuckers

randalljf said...

@gvngrnwy If that's truly how it works, then I stand corrected. It was my understanding that PRS kept the money. Maybe it's ASCAP that does this? Regardless, I still stand by what I said in that YouTube/Google have done nothing wrong. PRS says, "Pay this much money or take down the music videos," and YouTube says, "Okay, we'll take the videos down then." The promotional value for the people PRS represents is far greater than the value YouTube sees in having music videos, and it's obvious from the way the PRS is responding that they're well aware of this, but want Google's money anyway.

borguk1of9 said...

jeepster5705 no one argues with that, however your script reads like that of an PRS representative.

However I can no longer come to You Tube as can millions of others to preview music we might want to buy and so we wont buy that music.

For example I wanted to see and hear some songs off the new Joss Stone album which Amazon are selling for $6.
Since I cant now do that I wont be buying that album.

PRS need to understand that all they are doing at the moment is hurting the artists they supposedly represent.

gvngrnwy said...

Trebell71 - I wonder who the 'we' and 'artists' you so confidently speak for are? I suppose the 'we' is all the people who think music should be free. Please try to understand this: PRS does NOT represent artists - it represents composers and songwriters who are asking for a fraction of a penny each time you watch and listen to a song they wrote. Now, often these days the artists are also the writers, but Leona Lewis, Celine Dion, Britney Spears etc , would not have any sort of career without people writing songs for them to sing.

sphericthor said...

If this happened in the US it would be sorted within minutes. The people PRS are claiming to represent are still getting paid from their views from other countries so quit the crap and give us the music back.

trebell71 said...

PRS need to get lost frankly. We don't want them, the artists don't want them and they just come across as the interferin bully boys that they are. A company I know had these people being like this about radio at work. In the end they just banned radio and telly in the workplace.

Well done PRS. really helping the artists to be heard by the public there.

CarlLH41 said...

Oh and get a fucking grip Google!!!!

djnightlife007 said...

GEMA sind doch solche verfickten HURENSÖHNE ... für alles muss man bezahlen... das is doch eine schweinerei!!!!!!

cashcowrecords said...

@AintNothingButAThang - Are you on crack? Oh poor google having to pay the hosting costs for all those music videos. Youre right! Artists should pay to have there music on youtube so they can then... erm... carry on not getting paid!? Would you prefer it if evry musician had to pay people to play their music? That would lead to the end of the music industry you thick sod. Google make millions... musicians do not. Google owed them... not the other way round. Musicians paying for people to listen and make money off their music? Are you mental?!

littlegrubber said...

Google = £14,000,000,000 income in 08

Ave content owner = £1 youtube in 08

The dirty tricks campaign against the creators (50,000 of whom the PRS represents) has backfired. "Don't be evil" is a lost dream stamped out by corporate greed.

cashcowrecords said...

Everyone - sign up for an account here - www.last.fm - you wont regret it!

CarlLH41 said...

I've decided to sign up to muzu.tv to watch music vids from now on...the way things are going all that will be on you tube will be vids of people lighting their own farts!!

When that day comes I will be terminating my membership.

gvngrnwy said...

Within a few years, if the present trends continue, it will not be viable to earn any sort of living as a songwriter or composer (apart from a mega-famous elite few). Songwriters and composers will do it as a hobby and share it with friends and family while they do a 9-5 job to pay the rent. (.... well most have to have another job already - how far can you make £5000 go?) The world will be a poorer place musically and culturally.

The problem with music is that it's only sound waves at the point of experience. Where's the substance - why should I pay for air? But it takes work and dedication and talent (and money) to produce. No one thinks twice about paying for physical goods because you can see them. People have become used to getting music for free - and that is one business model that will not sustain.

dantemn said...

a la mierda con youtube

AintNothingButAThang said...

Wow. Lot of incredibly ignorant people, huh? Why is it up to Google to pay for the hosting and bandwidth costs? Why should they also pay a licence fee? As well as provide a sleep distribution method?

Let PRS put their own streaming service online and stop bitching at Google. Do you have any idea how much it costs to host all those videos? What would be fair is perhaps if everytime a video was watched on Google, they charged the rights holder the cost of providing that service. They could give them the direct amount of money from the "click-thru" advertising (how many of you click ads? barely anyone right?).

gvngrnwy said...

One last jab. "Transparency"? Google? The content that Google have removed apparently accounts for about 1% of music streams - but they know that by targeting the superstars they can make out that all bands and record companies are mega-rich and mega-greedy. WIth public opinion on their side, they'll screw the other 99% with no one even noticing.

fiddleydiddley said...

As a Musician it now means I will not be supporting or promoting any of the contacts I have on You Tube. PRS have no right to do this - they already control music play in commercial establishments that don't play music to a large audience and that in itself is pedantic and pathetic. You Tube better watch from other companies trying to pull a fast one - the next thing that will be banned is video trailers for films. Not much of a difference really when the music content is replaced with speech and actors. Who protects them?

Stickings90 said...

It looks like there will never be a resolution as both Google and the PRS have dug in.

Sorry but by the look of things there will never be music videos ever again in the UK on Youtube , so move on and live with it.

simpliwicked said...

I dont understand why, after reading your article, I cant watch the music video for some of the most main stream and popular music artists from beyonce to the Killers.
Do PRS actually know that for many of us, Youtube is a point of reference, a try before you buy avenue?
For instance, if i like what i see here on youtube, i go out to my nearest store to buy the music or log in to my itunes account and down load the song.
Last month i went to watch the Killers perform in my city here in England, now i cant watch one of their songs again on youtube. Soon i will be going to watch Beyonce live but i cant make my self familiar first with most of her songs from her recent album on Youtube?
I hope you do sort this out otherwise i think Youtube will unfortunately become redundant for a lot of music fans, which i assume is one of your biggest audiences.

gvngrnwy said...

Oh those greedy musicians trying to screw poor Google who can't make their business model work - they're getting too many hits for the amount of advertising they're selling. Strange how every other streaming enterprise can reach agreement with the PRS. Don't believe them - they are out to smash the idea of paying for music.

A good idea, you say? Yes a very good idea if you don't want any new music to listen to. Most music writers are not U2 or Coldplay. They depend on their meagre royalties (more than 90% of members of the PRS earn less than £5000 per year from royalties). Most bands slog for years and make a paltry living.

kieran1968uk said...

Poor Google! I have over 1 million youtube plays on my last publishing statement, and do you know how much it adds up to? £104. Cough up you stingy mo fo's, you're gonna dominate the world with microsoft and fox within 10 years so pay what you owe!

cashcowrecords said...

Fuckin google and youtube! I've posted a few comments on here over the last week basically telling all you PRS haters to check out this PRS press release and see who the real greedy bastards. Here it isbut it will get deleted when the prick arse admin shit bin comes and does some fuckin work over than sitting with his thumb up his arse....

"PRS for Music is outraged on behalf of consumers and songwriters that Google has chosen to close down access to music videos on YouTube in the UK.

Google has told us they are taking this step because they wish to pay significantly less than at present to the writers of the music on which their service relies, despite the massive increase in YouTube viewing.

This action has been taken without any consultation with PRS for Music and in the middle of negotiations between the two parties. PRS for Music has not requested Google to do this and urges them to reconsider their decision as a matter of urgency.

Steve Porter CEO PRS for Music said "We were shocked and disappointed to receive a call late this afternoon informing us of Google's drastic action which we believe only punishes British consumers and the songwriters whose interests we protect and represent."

Google had revenues of $5.7bn in the last quarter of 2008."

FUCK YOU GOOGLE! GIVE SOME MORE OF YOUR MILLIONS TO THE PEOPLE WHO HELP YOU MAKE IT.

3phaseBerlin said...

Hello, I am from Germany and am reffering to the similar problem with the german gema...

I would like to suggest that you tube uses the situation to do something for the musicans in the world ...

I only can reffer to the practise in germany..

There the gema cashes pauschal payments that get distributetd to their 4000 full members and the big publishing organisations.. the share is done with a complicated key that counts airplay in the national radio and cultural value of music.. so classical music gets a higher share. comercial charts music gets a share... everything that is more subcultural or just too old gets no share...

so a good part of the money youtube pays to the gema is not reaching the actual right holders of the music used in youtube videos.


It would be very refreshing if once some things would change.. And google and youtube would use theire market power to inflict some political pressure in regard of the interests of the majority of independed musicans..

The people that will create your content of tomorow..

It would be nice if youtube would request from the gema that the cashed money is directed to the real right owners and dont gets in their big pot..

If the gema cant gurantee that, why do you have to pay than?

Only thing is you have to give them the author names and request that theese date is used... motivate your users naming the authors...
and than check if something reaches theese authors... you would be surprised

randalljf said...

For everyone who thinks YouTube is the bad guy in all this, here's some of the crap the PRS pulls:

Demanding a public performance license from a woman who plays classical radio to her horses.

Suing a garage for £200,000 over their mechanics playing the radio loud enough for customers to hear.

Taking the Lancashire police to court for having radios on in 34 police stations.

Threatening small businesses if music can be heard in the background while on the phone.

Insisting a children's charity needs licenses for having a radio in the kitchen and for the kids singing Christmas carols.

cashcowrecords said...

@randalljf - Ive read all that crap about prs a while a go and it sounds well over the top but... my if you forget about all that and think about this situation only... who's the bad guy? The non-profit organisation or google?

matches54 said...

It appears that some of the rubbish Google have published has the ring of truth for those who have grown up in a time of free downloads, who resent paying anything for music and are ignorant of PRS and their intention to protect the rights of their songwriters. Google are acting like a tory government calling nurses and teachers greedy when they are forced to strike for reasonable pay. Google are relying on an unenlightened and angry rabble to support them in their plans to rip off songwriters and line their pockets.

Don't let the cute logo fool you, folks. Google is just the same as every greedy corporation, in fact they're worse because they're being snakey behind a public illusion of cool.

It's time to change your search engine.

spikenet2001 said...

I want to add my two cents to this 'debate'.

I come on this site to watch music videos of all kinds and have recently been unable to access videos and channels I have been watching since I joined up nearly 3 years ago. I understand WHY it's happening, but I can't believe that an agreement doesn't seem to have been reached as yet. And yes I've changed my location to worldwide and removed all location information from my profile to try and get round it to see if that helps to no avail.

Unfortunately if it carries on like this I foresee a mass exodus of Youtube's membership to go and find somewhere where we CAN go and watch the videos of our choice. I doubt anyone on YT staff will even respond to this query for various reasons, legal and ethical, but I want to know if they foresee any resolution to this situation and if not, tell us now so we can all disappear off elsewhere and stop wasting our time .... there are other (legal) video hosting websites on the Internet which aren't having this problem.

Cheers.

RachaelUK said...

I DONT BELIEVE IT!!!

This really sucks - and the ones who suffer? the YouTube users, for which the site was created - an international video sharing site...

Well I don't envy them having to deal with PRS... they aren't the nicest, least not when they cold-called the place I was working - very, very, very rude - recommend avoiding!!

So upset about this - anyone know another site where i can watch music videos in the UK??

illage2 said...

Will everyone leave Google and Youtube alone. They are trying, and they are not going to care if people leave youtube for something as silly as this.

starpeem said...

i hate these silly "Copyright" shite... wat is the point?!? gawwd, i know they have to make money, but i dont see why one site shud have to pay another to play a music video. god! money rules out everything, the worlds gone shite

xinfrax said...

This sucks, I now cant watch MOST of my favourite music vids. Its getting pretty annoying. Surely this is going to lose you tube a whole lot of fans in the UK. Cant say i blame You tube though, Greedy music industry for you. But why is this mainly affecting the UK ?

MicroHelper said...

How does youtube know if the music is Copyrighted??

chriskeeble said...

And as for the PRS being a "not-for-profit" organisation, WAKE UP people....

illage2 said...

I personally think Youtube should Ban music videos everywhere. It would make it fair on us if that happend.

illage2 said...

The UK site is being killed, but Youtube is dependant on you making your own content and uploading it to the site. If you want music on there go ahead and upload the music you like your self.

DrCrYz said...

Both company's are a detriment to music, just another case of corporate greed. Go fuck yourself jewtube cunts, the whole site is turning into uninteresting shite as you have banned most of the creative people anyway.

qwertydudee said...

for gods sake i cant listen to any music im going of to another website this is awful

PhotoContestKid said...

Interesting times!

solodini said...

I feel this release is misleading to the reader by stating that "we would lose significant amounts of money with every playback." as the PRS license is not paid on each play but on a prediction of the potential number of people a performance or broadcasting organisation would reach so the license fee is based upon how many people they believe these youtube broadcasts will reach.

This being the case, saying that it's "like asking a consumer to buy an unmarked CD without knowing what musicians are on it" is incredibly misleading. The nature of youtube is that anyone can add a video and it could take weeks for that video to be checked and removed leaving plenty of time for it to be viewed. This being the case if youtube were told what songs were included in this they could remove those songs, making youtube far less popular among UK viewers, but then those videos would simply be readded by users shortly after and the PRS licensing would be disproportionate and the artists, publishers and composers would be left unpaid for their works.

I feel PRS are completely in the right and YouTube should maintain loyalty to their user base that raised them from an amateur website to a multi-million dollar business and simply pay PRS the amount they request. PRS is a not-for-profit organisation so the money will not be lining their pockets but will be paying the creative individuals the money that they are righted and that they work for.

luademel said...

I bought lots of music on iTunes after seeing the video on YOUTUBE. I got to know and like new bands and singers only because I've seen then on YOUTUBE! My kids ask me to buy them songs,because they watched on YOUTUBE! The music industry in the UK shot themselves in the foot!! I wont buy anymore....

metsomaniac said...

Whilst Google claim they are not making enough profit from advertising revenue, they don't mind the exposure you tube is getting as a brand.

You tube is a product and if it use's music to promote itself then it is only fair that it pays for it.

pay up and play fair.

Hearosein said...

im sort of scared.. Youtube is making me go to court and pay 1,000,000 dollars :'( im seriously crying now!!

maddoorsfan said...

this is just another case of a greedy recording industry looking to hold another website to ransom. Theyre hoping there will be a major backlash against youtube & google who will then pay whatever they ask. Keep in mind google were paying PRS but now they want more.....

metsomaniac said...

Kelli Ali (Ex Sneaker Pimps) my favorite Uk artist is still on Youtube.

So not everyone has been pulled.

Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3NlshsyONg&feature=PlayList&p=A78A89B19F6A6222&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

alinamugur said...

UK this .... and UK that.... I'm in ROMANIA and i CAN'T watch the vids !!!!! what's up with that ?????

chriskeeble said...

Google / YouTube - STAND UP for yourselves!

Stop letting the PRS control you like this - let it go to court if
that's what it takes - it's about time the PRS got forced to explain
their accounts and tactics in public.


Artists don't want the PRS. Fans don't want the PRS.


STAND UP AND FIGHT!

jonthang71 said...

A compulsory TV license and now this! This cuntry is a joke... Im leaving!

ProperPrincess said...

Well this has made me give up on YouTube entirely. I spend months and months building a fantastic playlist of hundreds and hundreds of music videos which I listen to EVERY DAY at work. Now I start it playing randomly only to find out that I can only get access to a FEW out of the hundreds. Not that you've bothered to make it easy to find this out, I have to click on each individual video to find out whether I can access it or not!

What a total waste of my time YouTube. Not only in trying to clear the list out, but in having spent hours building it in the first place. I'm really annoyed and will now just go and create it again, somewhere else, and will not come back to YouTube even if the situation does change.

You are kiiling your site by protecting the interests of a big corporation over that of your loyal users.

kobidobidog said...

Google and youtube are abusing and hurting my friends; they are allowing the trolls to hurt the hearts of my friends. They are being ripped open and so are mine. I weep for the friend I work so hard to help. Don’t forsake them .Trolls only want destruction. Furries are a unifying force and we don’t need a heartless bunch of trolls trying do destroy it. Work with Artie the white arctic fox for a better world with out hatful trolls trying to control it. We are animals anyway hominids. The penis is a natural part of every living creature on this planet, and I think people should get used to it. Trolls are arbitrarily flagging every thing that shows any semblance of what is in nature
Change the rules. Take the wind out of their hateful malicious trolls sails, whose only intent is to cause harm to a group or individual.
If hate is to be banned trolls should go with it.Compared to hate and trolls, sex , and nudity is nothing.in fact sex and nudity and genitalia is commonly seen in nature, all over the world. that should be a no brainier.why hide it in the art that is created?
Write by: Artie the white arctic fox, my name as a furry.

CryogenicXsean said...

The PRS actually have destroyed youtube. They do realise they have this thing called freedom, right? Maybe the artists themselves want they're videos to be more, I don't, exposed to the world??? They're a pile a shit!

Pretzal666 said...

"
chriskeeble (21 hours ago)
Google / YouTube - STAND UP for yourselves! Stop letting the PRS control you like this - let it go to court if that's what it takes - it's about time the PRS got forced to explain their accounts and tactics in public. Artists don't want the PRS. Fans don't want the PRS. STAND UP AND FIGHT!"

Your right, Noneone wants the PRS.

If they came to my door demanding royalties as the big companies would do, Ill tell them to (insert swear) of.

insaneJericho said...

I can completely understand why this has happened and I have to say I really feel for the lesser known artists who just want to get their music out to the people.

It is they who are really losing out by this action, they company that claims to protect them is now harming them.

Lets hope the PRS pull their head out of their rear-ends sooner rather than later.

worraker13 said...

what faggots! i dont know REALLY if it is more PRS or youtube, but whoever it is they are fuckin faggots i cant see a single mother fucking music video! cuntholes thats pretty much the only bitchass reason i use youtube! u can fuck outta here, yay another joyful attempt at ruining my childhood! faggots. i cant say it too much! cunts, faggots, assholes!!!!!!

NoughtAbyss said...

oh, and bring the old bulletins back too dipshits!! asswipe..

musparade1 said...

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Libertine62 said...

Hey You Tube corporate types...you know you're killing your site, don't you? You can make all the excuses you want about the complexity of the issues, how difficult it is to deal with the labels, etc. Bottom line is if you remove the music from You Tube, it'll be as Jim Morrison once sang: When the music's over turn out the lights. Do you really think people will flock here to watch videos of American politicians and the Pope? Nice business strategy...I think the same rationale is being used here as was used in corporate America...how to destroy a business in 3 easy steps.

EricakaJaceII said...

I missed it when YouTube wasn't commercially all-the-range and when it was still something that was purely for anybody who went on it and not for the masses.

Thanks for fucking yourselves up and destroying what freedom we had, YouTube. Stop being so commercialized.

Also, if this is the case, why the fuck are countries like the US still able to watch music videos? Is it another knock on us via the internet that just because we're from the UK, we'd get about 65% less good things just because, oh, we don't live in such famous territories and drink Mountain Dew? FUCK YOU!

I know none of this will make any sense and I may look like a fool but, god damn it, get your heads together!

ExorciseThis said...

You should turn YouTube into a non-profit making organisation instead of thinking of your profit margins, that way you'd have plenty of money to pay the greedy swines at WMG and the PRS and at the sametime make them look like the greedy swines they are. Youtube is for the most part a creative outlet for us, it helps us learn, respect and breakdown so many ignorant borders that should never have been there in the first place. all these things need to be embraced if we are ever to become something amazing, and for the same reasons you also have to do this otherwise Youtube will die...so whats it to be the wallet or the positive progress of humanity?

lanjalhc said...

I am writing to say, as customer, that I disapprove YouTube's decision. This action has been taken while the process is still going, there was simply no order for YouTube to cut our access to Music Videos. This is clearly only a way of making pressure on PRS, regardless of your own customers! I also would like to know what's the position of the record labels you say you have deals with regarding the loss of publicity for this videos in the UK.

iferegi said...

This is the end of youtube! why can't I add a family video if theres a Tv or radio near the camera. Hope to see new video projects. R.I.P

OMMProduktions said...

Proof Youtube don't know what they're doing since Google took over.

The videos I want to link other people too are the ones that are blocked.

Sort it out or I am off to megavideo.

IHaveNoClue76 said...

as new to this stuff as I am, why don't the Youtube people have the ad/sponsor system and divide up the pay they get from advertising companies for each video between Youtube and PRS?? that way, everyone's happy because getting your copyrighted video on youtube is a financial benefit for you...

Anyway notice how much people have begun to depend on such a novel internet revolution for music. It's a waste of time. hmm. I shoudn't be talking since I'm commenting here.... ughh never mind.

mattgbarnes said...

this sucks. a lot.

SSwampTrooper said...

I blame PRS more than youtube, I hate big organisations that are so greedy :(

ferrets847 said...

ughh you are suckish SO WAT! we arent makin a profit.....its our OWN creativety to show to friends, and junk!i hope wmg gose away

Libertine62 said...

Two words...fair use. You 'protect' the interests of the copyright holders but you won't fight to protect your members fair use rights? Who is kidding who here?

CheekTV said...

Hello YouTube

1) Uploaded a video 2 days ago and it doesn't show up in insight. As if it doesn't exist at all!

2) View count has been awfully slow, twice in the last two weeks despite videos being vid responses to major videos and staying on the "vid response bar" for all to see for days on end.

3) Subscription box keeps showing old videos and pushing out new ones.

I'm clearly losing views as even my insight tells me that my current view graph is at zero when it's actually in the hundreds.

This has gone on for weeks, no response no nothing. The community is up in arms and no one seems to be doing anything. Sxephil even took a holiday hoping it will be sorted out when he gets back. It's not.

Why have a Twitter/help forum when you don't repl?

Regards,

CheekTV

Glassorchids said...

This is a difficult situation. If seems plausible to me that the PRS would try to protect their members from being exploited by an almighty alliance: The major labels have the recordings; Google have the distribution channels; they come to terms; where do composers and lyricists enter into it? On the other hand, there is just so much money in free online content. You can't expect anyone to offer their services at a loss. So I guess it comes down to little or nothing. I'm really not so sure about the secondary effects (if that's the word): How many people do actually buy more CDs *because* they can listen to the music in near-CD quality for free? There are in every discussion vocal individuals who advocate this hypothesis – but what about the silent mass? Anyway, I find it hard to blame any party here. It's more of a challenge arising from structural changes. Soon, Google will offer all the world's content for free, and then all the content creators will starve or turn to other things, and then everybody at Google will starve – I hope I live long enough to be able to witness that particular stage... or maybe it will resolve itself somehow.

worraker13 said...

wow lol good one faggots u just converted a few million more people to illegally downloading music! woop woop, another bullshit move! *claps* faggots

mecharick said...

PRS isn't a legislative organisation right? so basically it's just the American response of pissing yourself when lawyers say 'we deserve a cut or you're going to court'

randalljf said...

I love how many ignorant people here are blaming YouTube instead of the record labels.

DJCrayon2k9 said...

Don't you realise that you're making us Brits unable to listen to listen to any music? Unless we buy it, of course, but as a teenager with no money, I can't listen to my greatest love of all, music. Thanks a lot YouTube, and the PRS

Landmine5 said...

Record labels and companies really don't get the concept of "free publicity," do they?

NoughtAbyss said...

bullshit, bring them back assholes!

sphericthor said...

Sort it out YouTube!!!

This issue should've been dealt with long before now but instead you let it get this far. When did the negotiations begin with PRS? Surely it couldn't have just been in the past few days and due to the greed by both organizations we are being punished just because of where we live.

Your final comment of "IF and when that time comes" pretty much says that the UK can forget about listening to the music they want while the rest of the world can happily enjoy it.

BornToWatchTV said...

i'm always scared to comment on youtube blogs and channel so that i wont get my account disabled. who else feels so?

davejarvis said...

listenup55555, Stop sticking yourself on a pedestal telling everyone else that they know nothing and your in the music industry blah, blah i've heard it all before. I accept that i wont know as much as you but what i do know is the PRS are a bunch of jumped up bullies and i'm sooooo glad someone like Google told them to go forth and multiply.

if Google is such a big bad and nasty corporation then why the f**k dont you protest and stop using its services.

inkofdeath230 said...

Moronic real life companies. The future is internet.

DarthVapour08 said...

The thing is the PRS have really shot themselves in the foot here and harmed the artists they want to protect. Times change, for years we have been ripped off for CD's now at long last we can legally download music cheaply. If i see a video on You Tube i'll save it and more often then not if i wish to download it i pay for it on I-Tunes - because i've heard it first on You Tube i've decided to make a purchase where the artist benefits - so who is losing out now.

randalljf said...

This is awesome! Thank you so much for sticking it to the PRS, YouTube! Record companies need to realize how much you're doing for them and that they need to adapt their business models for the changing times. Long live YouTube!

cathalj1988 said...

i think that this is all a big mess now n it pisses me off! ive now moved to a different site for music vids.. www.muzu.tv it looks out for the artist n is jst as easy to use!

listenup55555 said...

davejarvis - I said "some people are ignorant" not "everyone". But, I include you now in that "some people" bracket.

You're right, you don't know as much about the music industry as me, and you don't know how PRS does business either.

I find it ironic that people stick up for a global corporation they know nothing about and who honestly doesn't care about anything other than a bottom line profit.

There are other sites out there that offer music to consumers but pay the going rate to agencies like PRS because they realise music isn't free and writers deserve to get paid. I suggest you get your Leona Lewis clips from them whilst Google sort their act out.

sa3305 said...

Oh the PRS, we have had threatening letters about fines and court etc etc, theres scum running riot on the streets , drug dealers move in and out of the area, kids driving cars like twats and killing people ,,,,,, whats done ,,,nothing unless , like me, you play a radio at work thats listened to by TWO people, i must the worst criminal in the UK.
Oh yea if you play a car radio and a friend hears it YOU ARE BREAKING THEIR RULES-PAY YOUR LICENSE or they will back date it 6 years...

chuck32ps said...

the prs are a shower of greedy cunt faced pricks,

davejarvis said...

Not directed at you mxeditor by the way

amara01addis said...

Idiots. Not Youtube, but the people here who blame Youtube.

The PRS are bastards, to demand an extortionate license fee increase when youtube OWES them NOTHING is insulting. Youtube has done more for the music industry than any other single company.

I understand license fees for copyrighted music. But the PRS license fee would mean Youtube lost money.

For the people here who criticise them, ask yourself this. If you went on holiday abroad and a foreign stall owner tried to rip you off because you looked rich, would that be morally right? No it wouldn't.

I can't be bothered with the internet anymore, too many retards.

madmax741992 said...

audioswap is bullshit, how do you expect it to be legit if it doesnt even have kanye west on it. like come on now, is that serious?

SlashFirestorm said...

Did you scrape your knees while you were down there, Google?

ClaireyThePinkFairy said...

This really p-s me off. i love fidnign new stars who i have never heard of and now that wont be possible.

y do say muscians ofn you tueb (i am willign to pay a small fee sum may not) assist you tueb by settin up montly/yearly fee to help out the music licens

p.s does this mean those who are doign you tube vids with sing be affected?

posttronics said...

I just had to unsubscribe to a number of channels because of restictions. These record companies don't want British/European fans buying their music nor watch videos. They have done us a great favour by cutting out a mass market; therfore we get to save our money, and they lose. Why should we buy their stuff when they kick us in the face!

frodobhoy said...

I started using you tube because i didnt want to rip of my favorite artists by downloading and burning from other sites.apparently thats illegal. but what the fuck is going on. Iam being left no choice but to cancel my you tube account and be a criminal.dont the prs know that there are a million things you can do to to steal music. you tube stops this get it together because i and millions of brits like me have already started.

nonamesavailabe said...

Ha Ha Ha Ha AntismashX,
You want all musicians/songwriters to work for free?
That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard- you want doctors and teachers and policemen to work for free too?
You want to work for free yourself??

Im so sick of you idiots with no idea how the music industry works saying everything should be free!
Why? Cause you dont want to pay it??
You think you should get free food too? and free clothes? and a free car?
Cant you see how embarrasingly childish your argument is? If no-one pays for music there will be NO NEW MUSIC. It's as simpe as that.
And all the bands you love to download for free won't exist anymore because they will have to get dayjobs to pay their bills.


Oh, and chuck32ps- PRS are a non-profit organisation you retard. They are just trying to get musicians paid by the people exploiting their work. Google are one of the richest companies in the world. Who's greedy again?

IfUSeekBrit said...

please
i live in Greece and i can't see anything!
PLEASE! FIX THIS!

davejarvis said...

So tell me what you know then - go on i'm all ears? do you play the recorder or something? The truth is its people like you who 'think' they are a cut above the rest because they may know a little of a certain industry - hoo-bloody-ra for you.

I dont like Leona btw i'm a bit old for that sort of music.

mxeditor said...

It's the same old song and dance. Record companies think they are entitled to fly in private jtes, eat caviar and never bring down the price of a CD. They could have embraced music downloading and file sharing, but NO....they had to cling to the old CD model until they were forced to join the online revolution. They have been overcharging us to fund their lavish lifestyles while ripping off the artists as well! Artists should have their agents deal directly with YouTube!! Ihope they choke on the fact they are losing revenue by the minute - get real record companies - the wild gluttony is over.

TackyRackyComixNEO said...

I'm not from the U.K. (I'm from the U.S.), but I for sure can sympathize. And I certainly agree with the many who said that music on YouTube has actually influenced purchasing decisions in regard to buying CDs (as in an actual disc) or songs from iTunes, Amazon, etc. Allowing people to hear your music is the only way to promote it. I perfectly understand YouTube's stance on this subject. If PRS wants this to happen, then let them. Based on what I've read in the comments, they sound like they have a good mission but go about it illogically (like, someone who would go into a coffee shop while "Imagine" is playing on the radio and saying that John Lennon [may he rest in peace] wants his money).

listenup55555 said...

Some people on here are really ignorant and don't know all the facts involved with this. First of all, Youtube are owned by Google - one of THE BIGGEST global corporations in the world worth billions of dollars and who are looking to increase their global domination by buying sites like Youtube (for $1.65billion!!!) to make even more money. THEY DO NOT CARE about breaking new artists. If those artists don't make them money, they give a toss. Secondly, they have ONLY TAKEN DOWN 1% of the music videos from their site because of the dispute. 1% PEOPLE!!!!! And, guess what, it happens to be the most popular music in the charts because that will get them the most press coverage. Search for your obscure of less well known artists and THEY ARE STILL SHOWING 99% OF THE MUSIC they were last week.

Thirdly, PRS is a NON FOR PROFIT company. THEY DO NOT MAKE A PROFIT. They pass EVERY SINGLE PENNY THEY MAKE (after costs) BACK TO MUSIC WRITERS. Without money, musicians and composers cannot afford to make music because they would have spend their time working in a real job making money rather than by writing music.

So wake up and smell the coffee and work out who is running the show here. This is one big PR stunt to put pressure on PRS to charge it less licence fees which, ultimately means, musicians and writers get less. All Google care about is proctecting their profits. End of.

ryhillian said...

P.R.S. as much as i support your goals. records,cass,cds,many of the major artist have been paid in triplict .without youtube/google new artist will never get the airplay that they need to reach a wider audience

jezzy240 said...

this needs to be sorted out for the sake of music fans get your finger out and fix this

SaiLoRXXMoOnXX said...

thanks YT so annoying!!!! really hate you!

Why4USay said...

For years my staff used to bring in CDs for us all to enjoy. We used to buy 8-10 CDs per month because of this. Then PRS stepped in and said we had to have a licence to do this. We stopped and stopped buying. Prats.
BTW, I've been a musician for 40 years and they've not helped me one bit!

RandomRSstuffOmg said...

DIE!

bengreengiant said...

Fucking hate the performing rights society they are fucking donkey raping pieces of shit. They should stop licking lawyers assholes and become proper human.

FUCK YOU PRS!!!!!

rottenseed said...

whew...hopefully that'll get rid of that "Chocolate Rain" bs

ctwlittleboss said...

Thank you PRS for standing up for songwriters who're being ripped off by all who think they can listen without paying.
CTWard

DarthVapour08 said...

Rubbish the PRS are a bunch of jumped up power hungry idiots. These are the same people that turn up mob handed using bully boy tatics towards tiny little firms who may play a radio for their staff.

I for one applaud You Tube for telling them to get stuffed.

DarthVapour08 said...

The way around this is to use a proxy IP - Result.

Micha499 said...

Booo!

davidbcfc1 said...

how much do PRS want?

i mean how rich are google and even there saying its costs to much

how is it fair the UK cant watch British artists but everyone else can, how is this fair?

davejarvis said...

bang on their Darthvadour, my mum owns a small barbers 3 of them turned up and said if she didn't pay 120 quid they would pass her debt onto a collection agency. Bullies thats all they are.

Effylotte said...

i think this is stupid and unfair why are we diffreny??? explain????

wendysprangers said...

want videos viewing back in belgium

korg440 said...

PRS should pay youtube for showing their music to millions of viewers for free.

theestranger said...

PRS is claiming Google wants to pay LESS than what it's paying now...

This is just another example of why artists should avoid signing with major labels.

backos said...

stop paying prs
kill all videos.. and music..
send them to 60s
and take the rights directly for the producers and musicians individual

Why4USay said...

Just read some more posts. Get this right, it's PRS that are the bad guys here. NOT YouTube. They are trying to keep within the law but face huge bills/fines/penalties if they break it. I don't see that they have a choice.

LittleOtherRecords said...

ok, let me explain something to you all because you clearly know practically nothing about the way the music industry works. first of all, PRS is not one of the major record companies that youtube are so proud to boast of their "strong partnerships" with. PRS is not a record company at all, it is a non-profit organisation that collects royalties on behalf of songwriters. all sognwriters, whether they have a record deal or not - so the people that youtube are taking revenue away from here, the people most affected, will generally be the poorest songwriters at the bottom of the pile. PRS is simply tryin to protect songwriters. Google is trying to protect its profit margin. PRS have not asked youtube to take any videos down and nothing requires them by any law to do so - it is a simple act of defiance, a show of power, a way of saying to PRS (in the middle of negotiations, remember) - we are bigger than you, and richer than you , and more powerful than you ,and we can walk all over you. if google/youtube win this battle it could, quite literally, mean the end of anyone apart from th super rich being able to make a living writing music. simple as that. to support youtube/google in this battle is to support a giant corporation against ordinary struggling songwriters.

tsjoencinema said...

Had it not been for Youtube, I would not have bought many music cd's.

The corporations and those who represent artists don't understand that Youtube is doing them a favour.

loggeryvnv said...

This is why bands like Radiohead and Enter Shikari are doing it for themselves, and why the PRS, record companies and ultimately sites like Youtube will all lose out in the end. With events like this happening more and more artists will go the route that Radiohead and all them did, and in the end there will be no cash for greedy fat cat corporations like Youtube and PRS to fight for in the first place.

AntiSmashX said...

At least free music is being made, so the P.R.S. wouldn't get on their case. I say avoid radio stations, or any other company that plays music from now on, and just go to somewhere else, like keygenmusic(dot)net. They have the best free music availiable, and I respect the musicmakers deeply for their songs. Hopefully those artists will make more usage of the trackers already being made, including Modplug. TRACKER MUSIC RULES BIGTIME, and it's soon going to be the ONLY defense against the PRS, because it's actually free music made by generous users, instead of heartless record companies. You can block the fanbase, you can block the famous music, but you CANNOT block our imagination and ideas, because doing so is illegal anyways and would be filed as "harrassment" or "disturbing the peace". If more people resort to creating music to give away, the PRS would have already lost their game, and as a result, would leave many CD's just standing there on the future markets because of the dwindling fanbase of 2009. They have one, and I mean ONE LAST CHANCE to straighten up, otherwise this will happen to the big-shot companies paying celebrities to make music.

So in conclusion, muting audio, is like muting freedom. Give them sound, or they'll be turnarounds that will impact the top companies.

- AntiSmashX

IAmTheRandomKid said...

PRS always go over the limit. Once, they fined a mechanic for using his radio when he was working by himself. Now that is being tightassed

andymerrett said...

Hey, that's OK YouTube. We'll just watch the illegal copies that are littered around your site, and then laugh when you're sued by the record labels who you could've cut a deal with.

Nice to know YouTube values its UK users. And to think I stuck up for you in the face of your Viacom lawsuit in the past. YouTube isn't even the best video hosting site any more. I'm very likely to go and use one of your competitors' sites from now on, and I hope a lot of other people do too.

AhojeQ said...

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hypercatjohn said...

Shooting themselves in the foot, FREE advertising for music, who'd want to download the rubbish sound quality versions off this site? I've found countless oldskool jungle records I've bought on vinyl because of youtube, get a grip!

andeoc said...

www.muzu.tv has all the videos and is totally dedicated to music it pays the artists a fair reward for their work

Jenzzyuk said...

I think you need to sort this Problem out asap because I will miss Watching Music Videos if you dont Solve it quickly so please be quick as you can?

UpDownMostly said...

The music industry doesn't get it and hasn't for some time. The monolithic model of the past is over. Everyone knows artists should be compensated. The old ways don't work any more. Figure out a new way or you're going to lose in the end game.

gadget348 said...

Winston Churchill died in 1965, if he'd written Vera Lynn's "We'll Meet Again" in 1939 instead of leading Britain to war his estate would still be being paid by the PRS in 2015. Is it me or are our priorities a little mixed up?

r3loaded2k8 said...

The PRS are possibly the most retarded organisation ever - even more so than the record labels. They even walk in to corner shops where the owner is just listening to the radio and demand "royalty fees" just because it's being played at a business. They also do this "on behalf" of the artists even if the artists never requested them to do so.

Music videos are effectively adverts for songs, and the artists behind them, and I don't see why YouTube should have to pay to carry an advert - if anything, YOU should be charging THEM to carry their music videos (with additional perks over ordinary videos ofc). Max exposure = max sales.

Google/YouTube, stand up for what is right for your consumers! Fight them back!

revelation1965 said...

Maybe it is time to go back to when there was no content just a web page. What is the purpose of having flash and all other types of software to enahnce your internet experience if it is going to be taken away. Greed is Greed I do respect the artist point of view but again why just get rid of all media content and just go back to the roots of the internet.

Doug52392 said...

YouTube, all your shitty "Content ID" tools do is harm legitimate users of your website. These unjust acts of censorship in the name of big business is violating § 107, Title 17, U.S.C. http://tinyurl.com/WMG-Funeral <-- YouTube even censors fucking funerals of Marines who died fighting for FREEDOM.

Sideways99 said...

unsurprisingly, people commenting on youtube have no clue as to what they are talking about.

X61t said...

Well done YouTube! :)

cartooner2008 said...

Good thing I don't live in the UK.

I hope you guys sort this out and let music videos be seen in the UK again, otherwise, you'll lose quite a lot of your UK users.

aewanko300 said...

"The music industry is killing music!"
True. And YouTube is reinforcing this.

Flint2007 said...

I can't make amvs anymore thanks to these rules. >_>

clarissal said...

Something needs to be done about PRS, they are an absolute joke.

I agree with everyone else, most people use YouTube to listen to music and I know that I have found a lot of bands through here which has led to me buying their albums. Which I wouldn't have done if I hadn't heard them on here.

laniwilliamson said...

YouTube is the only chance I have to hear and see stuff from the UK. So please come to decision very soon

xzp58 said...

90% my favourites gone,I tend to watch country from US. CMT are perfect example of this all videos restricted outside US,If i cannot see artist performing then dont buy the cd or dvd. PRS shooting themselves in foot. Maybe a little give and take on each side and some commonsence my help

bizkits14 said...

I believe this is stupid! And i totally understand why Google do not what to pay. The PRS are being idiots - prime example, I came across a video on YouTube that had Remedy by Seether playing as background music - I enjoyed the song that much, I bought it on iTunes, and then i bought the album!!!

If I had not of heard the song on YouTube then I wouldnt of bought the album!

PRS are shooting the enjoyment of music in the head - and I hate them!!

Doug52392 said...

YouTube, all your shitty "Content ID" tools do is harm legitimate users of your website.

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5656/youtubefuneralwmg.jpg

How the fuck do you justify censoring videos like this as the "right" thing to do?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvg4n8Txgdc

Yeah, real nice YouTube.

These unjust acts of censorship in the name of big business is violating § 107, Title 17, U.S.C. (Fair Use). I have been in contact with numerous lawyers, they all insist your breaking the law.

amnistic45 said...

Ok, another company to add to my hate list. Steve Porter, you have been listed!

Youtube, you are doing well. I am rooting for you!

fripp2002 said...

And they wonder why we download our music free? lol...

Thorpe said...

That sucks.

stifflol said...

The music industry is killing music!

gadget348 said...

I bought more cd's after finding obscure stuff on youtube last year than I have done in the last twenty years. Youtube should be charging the PRS for its advertising, As should the BBC and other advert free organisations who play music.

KOHPelord said...

The cost is even too high for Google? That's a bit difficult to believe... better kick up your advertising to those who are willing.

weaselthree said...

This all comes down to greed and when it comes to greed the US is number 1 in the world.Warner has deleted all their music here and now Yutube/Google will not pay a dime so other music can stay here.
You see Patrick says they are proud of their ID content tool that they can use to remove historic important
music videos,my God I feel sick.
Suppose in a few years time there
will only be videos here that show
what freaks do with themselves
in bed at night.

DanJ1984 said...

Bysectrix of course Youtube lose out if their users cannot watch music videos. I spend 90% of my time on Youtube listening to music and the same can be said about my family and friends. It is in the best interests of everyone to get this sorted. Youtube know as well as anyone that if users cannot get what they want here they will go elsewhere. PRS must know that a little of something is worth more then a lot of nothing.

Bysectrix said...

No UK vids,oh what a shame.How will i ever survive.
The PRS should be paying You Tube for advertising there music not the other way around.I find and buy music on You Tube as i dont listen to all the mass produced rot they play on radio so if its not on You Tube then i dont buy it.So who`s losing out,certainly not You Tube.

Slyth66 said...

Why are you people criticizing YouTube for this? It's not their fault! They are doing what they have to do to prevent any law suits against them, and protecting the users as well. Yes, I think was PRS is trying to do is insanely unfair. But YouTube cannot control that. You are lucky they are willing to share this info with us.

Thank you Patrick,. I appreciate you and your team's effort in this situation.

HOOYANOE said...

Could you agree with sponsors or advertisers and the authors/rights-owners of major labels one-off payments for these "new-release", "premium" releases? One by one, they will all become competitive and keen to have the exposure and whatever income can be generated: A rate will "emerge" which is the compromise, acceptable to the royalty collectors and affordable to You Tube. Older stuff could be seen as "promotional exposure" for artists and songwriters which keep their professional profiles high. People's videos of concerts often act as a stimulus for future concert ticket sales... You Tube ought to be charging the artists !

sa2572 said...

Welcome to the UK. Living like it was still 1960. Publicly funded television and an outdated music industry (although not entirely unique). This is a country that shut down a television on-demand site (Kangaroo) because of competition, when no such site is currently operating and prohibitive costs mean no such site will operate - there are no other providers that would have been shafted!!

greyknickers2009 said...

Well, this was already happening, but now it has taken songs that we listen to through the channel that actually have music on here "legally" away, so I think many of us, ain't too happy with the PRS or Youtube, well you guys truly do like to screw us UK ppl. Thanks a lot Youtube.

punkchyaz said...

Surely the amount of money Youtube will lose out on from advertising is more than what it would cost to renew the license? I know that might sound daft, but I would estimate that about 70% of users come to Youtube to listen to music. Surely there was a way around it?

TheCocktailBar said...

I can live with this, at the end of the day youtube is a business and needs to be treat as such. You will get no complaints from me, thanks

hadron28 said...

Another VICTORY for piracy.

picceta1 said...

Wow PRS are fags!

Yukikolovesdarkmousy said...

go on strike and refuse to play music videos to the usa too, youtube. i dare you =___=

Yartek said...

I have no respect at all for the PRS. Just because I play music on an MP3 player in my workplace that I have already legally bought, they demanded over £120 a year in dubious fees because a customer might hear a song they hadn't paid for. There's no way of telling if the fees I was forced to pay even go to any of the artists I play. WIth this it's obvious the PRS aren't bothered about the artists, but in being greedy jobsworths who are actually getting in the way of artists' work being heard.

Allinred said...

Trust the UK to get embroiled in this. The music industry here is a joke. It sucks that this is happening, but I support Youtube's decision.

partypingu said...

This is a fairly standard response of officious bodies when something they control becomes popular, bump up the license costs. The same approach has already robbed us of Pandora and, now youtube videos. The music rights holders need to start figuring out that providing maximum exposure to music is the best way of selling it!

timesnewroman said...

I suspect there's a bit of right and a bit of wrong in both your stances. Why don't you consider adopting a less macho posture and sit down and try to sort out a mutually acceptable conclusion. I'd hate to think I'd miss out on discovering interesting new talent, which until now I have done. Go on be adults give and take, you know it makes sense.

GabrielMetcalf said...

I want to cry.... When you say Premium videos? What exactly is going to be blocked?

gadget348 said...

Who gets the money the PRS collect for dead composers - who else deserves to earn it? A widow perhaps? But for fifty years after a composers death sombody gets paid. If you lay down your life for your country you wont get a deal anywhere as good as this. What has the composer done to get such public respect?

lilmookie said...

Once again the music industry is on the cutting edge of technology in music promotion.

ChurchHatesTucker said...

And you're going to pursue false claims, fair use exemptions, etc., right?

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