Monday, January 26, 2009

Delete Your Own Video Comments

We're happy to announce the launch of a feature many of you have been asking for. Now you have the ability to delete comments you've made on videos. We've all been there. Whether you misspelled "pwned", back in the day when you were just a n00b to the internets, or you simply said something you wish you could take back - now you can remove your commentary at any time.



The Abuse & Safety tool is here for you to resolve issues like harassment and bullying. This new feature will empower you to more easily and effectively handle these types of situations, without needing help from staff. Of course, we always encourage everyone to think things through before posting comments anywhere on the site. But if you don't get it right the first time, now you can simply delete your comment. To remove a comment that you've made, go to the "Text Comments" section below the video and click the "Remove" button next to your comment.



Helping you check yourself,

The YouTube Team

215 comments:

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mi1964amigo said...

OK, an imbecile was stalking me on a certain video's comments page, so I deleted my comments - but it won't let me delete all of them. Is there a limit? Now, half of them say 'removed by author' and the other half disappear when I click, then are back again when I check later. What's that all about?

Glaruf said...

Wait a minute, I don't see a remove comment button here, neither on the channel pages for that matter! YouTube team, you treacherous ingrates, you enticed me to make unpleasant and shameful comments in the hopes I could remove them. I'VE BEEN HAD. I'VE BEEN HAD.

No, but seriously, could you please extend these features to the channel pages and here, too?

erdeep2020 said...

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Glaruf said...

ahem. PEEEEENIIIIISSSSS.

smartcooky99 said...

I agree. How can you delete a comment of your own if there is no way to search for or find the comment? GRRRRR!!!!

hbsjcd3 said...

Great feature! Because spammers abound!

prideaux69 said...

Amateurish implementation. I Searched all over my account after logging in, there is no list of videos where i have commented upon. So you can recognize it is ME who made the comment, and allow ME to delete it, yet you cannot allow ME to view MY comments ?

sportkrupp said...

No, Th3Agitator, i've just checked it out: You don't find EVERY comment you've ever made on yt via google, just some of them. Anyway, fishing for them by yourself using a search engine? You must be kidding!
There definetely should be a PROPER function WITHIN youtube.

IT'S UP TO YOU, YOUTUBE-TEAM!!!

AsgerF said...

Fint.

funkatraz said...

not looking to delete but actually to go back and complile all the comments i have made - hard to work out how, can you help?

autoinsurancequotes1 said...

hey smrtcooky98, what a you talking about? can find your coments in your account page ,no?

Simaz12345 said...

:)

huurricane said...

That tool is really helpful, although I agree with SporeDotCam. It's really, really annoying when you want to delete one of your comments and it says "Comment removed by author". Why not just introduce a tool that deletes the comments completely? You don't have to be able to "re-publish" your comments.. If that would be the case for anyone, they could just rewrite it. But besides that, thanks for a great site :)

eldiagrama said...

pwned

SporeDotCam said...

Thank you YouTube!

I just wish you guys could do the same for channel comments, and when you delete a comment on a video, I wish it never said "Comment Removed by author" and it could just be gone forever.

GlewMaster said...

hey

UpDownMostly said...

Now make a tool where I can find all my comments throughout YT. :)

georgekosmidis said...

YES BUT HOW DO I FIND THE VIDS I MADE A COMMENT YOU SMART YOUTUBE TEAM!!!!
Considere adding "Comments I made" or something.

ilyJonasbros7 said...

youtube needs to make something to delete all the people who make hater videos about celebritys. That would be great. : ]

ReversePhoneLookup1 said...

THAts great but how can you edit or delete comments on the channel? Thats not possible right now, right?

KalenderbabaGerilla said...

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BestVideoEditing said...

So how exactly does one go about reporting spam, abuse or fraudulent activities? I had a hard time trying to do that a few months ago... seems only the owner of the video can do the reporting

naybrit said...

nn

flashcouriercom said...

That would be such a big improvement especially for a high percentage typo error like me. But my "Enter" finger is always to quick to submit my posting. And "walla" too late if I can't delete or change my just posted comment.

gurpreetkahlon said...

my user name at you tube is gurpreetkahlon plz delete my cam as soon as u receive this my link is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIC2KyxolU some one put my cam in bad sense
my yahoo id is
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johluis123 said...

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gurpreetkahlon said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQIC2KyxolU
plz delete my can from your site as some one wants to abuse me in worng way
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karinlovekazune said...

cool

BlackAceStarForce7 said...

hmmm, excellent!

Majadi7 said...

hmm

incantare666 said...

And how are we supposed to find every comment we made thru the years ??? i can't search for every single one of them ! is there a list somewhere in my profile ??

hockeydude622 said...

quit sucking Warner Bros. balls youtube!!!

larsontic said...

Bad idea You Tube

Now when you go to quote stupidity, the stupidity has been removed, and then the idiot who posted the stupidity, denies all knowledge.

A victory for the weasels.

ogoplex123 said...

This is a really good idea because it just gives us more control over what WE do.

macfk said...

nice

adriennetjenkins said...

This is a test because I don't see my comments appearing.

adriani24 said...

Hi there , someone have posted my video,i have not posted, in the video its me, so can you delete the video and other people do not watch, please remove it.
the link of te video is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7tgf-NdiwM

RespectWithFairyDust said...

yeh but how do you delete your actual videos

gruntman1985 said...

cool

AppA said...

Relax people, YouTube is just bouncing the old-skool way. Where would the bible be without this kind of system xD... Oh, and great job with completely disabling the ability to view of spam messages. So are you guys gonna remove another portion of YT's entertainment and / or expression possibility in the near future?

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Th3Agitator said...

incantare666, google your youtube screen name just the way you type it when signing on to youtube then hit search, everything and anything you've ever commented on will come up

gokusuckeshaha said...

how do i upload a video it keeps saying that it failed and i saved it the music video to my computer and it wont work i think i need to waite

gokusuckeshaha said...

hello

STEVIEBQE said...

??????

gurpreetkahlon22 said...

as some one put my cam on you tube in wrong sense plz remove it as soon as you can my email id is jatt_friendfinder9@yahoo.co.in and gurpreetsingh.kahlon@yahoo.co.in kindly reply me soon for it

FrankTenpenny said...

Hm

emotic88 said...

How can i put my own video??!!

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hbsjcd3 said...

Now how do remove them exactly?

esantipapa said...

You could have even developed a "Block" feature, that allows video submitters to build a list of users that are blocked from commenting on a specific video.

xyjar said...

Copy+Paste from the truest comment on here:

"People who should use this feature, won't, and people who shouldn't use this feature, will. "

BetterThanYou2255 said...

Now give us a feature where we can reupload deleted videos

hudludret said...

<>Comment removed by user<>

blaisejones said...

nice but i still don't see how to use it.

shDwfthSUN said...

I really like this new feature, but I have recently noticed that you guys have removed another one: the ability to show comments with many negative votes. Now you may think that this is a harmless improvement, but I personally enjoy reading some of these. If you could bring back this feature (as well as, if not ESPECIALLY--the center frame thumbnails algorithm) I would be very grateful! Thank you for reading.

83butch said...

hi i've give an comment and want delete it but it's not working because i have wrote it wih an old deleted account
what can i do

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krayzewolf said...

Wow, so no one needs to hold accountability anymore for their trolling or stupidity? That's great! Thanks again for another inept feature YT.

GamePro0012 said...

I find this very handy. Thanks, YouTube. Thanks, Google!

folksingerdan said...

I really can't believe this site and it's inane error messages. I c/p tags in my videos and I get this error message that I need at least one tag. If you think I'm going to type them in every time...you are crazy!

folksingerdan said...

And you have no way to email you that is evident on the site.

peixil said...

not comments here

musicangel4 said...

this feature is great! not like those stupid annotations!

Jimmyfrominwood said...

wait how do i use this feature?

esantipapa said...

Or even an "ignore" feature, user(A) can comment rudely, but user(B) can gleefully ignore user(A) with ease. Each user has a list of ignored users. Comments from ignored users are hidden from the specific user that ignores them (or if added to a video's ignore list, not visible to any user). Thus, accountability and continuity of a dialog are preserved... youtube will be forward-thinking and ad-friendly.

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esantipapa said...

I'm sorry, this feature is pointless. It totally debases intelligent discourse, and has lowered the standard level of accountability on chained discussions. You could have spent the time and effort developing an OPTIONAL feature (toggled by the video submitter) to allow users to edit/delete/lock comments. I could code that for a site in a couple hours.... this is terribly lazy web software development and awful site-to-end-user communication.

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raelAlan said...

stupid idea. you should have it where the person who owns the channel decide if they want the option of allowing people to remove their comments. this will totally ruin the flow of debate.

Decembirth said...

I like it because even though I read my comments before I post, I still make spelling errors that end up messing up the whole comment. . Is it necessary to have the comment block remain and the Username present? It looks very messy like that and takes up comment space. I wouldn't mind seeing something completely removed and have it be removed, not "This comment has been deleted" Since that is something I don't need to know.

annon120 said...

how do i actually confirm my adress? so i can post comments?

Majystic17 said...

I don't really see this feature as really necessary if people actually bothered to READ what they are planning to post instead of simply typing it all and clicking 'Post Comment' so hastily.It's actually making things alot harder.

Do yourself a favor and just take the time to read what you're about to post instead of clicking the 'Post Comment' button hastily as if you're about to die in 30 seconds.

Zenshra said...

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stavrogen said...

The people who should use this feature won't.

coolkidz619619 said...

yes now i can delete my comments!

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simossays said...

great!

freethinkersociety said...

A window of 30-30 minutes to delete a posted comment would by my preference if something like this must be place.

deBeuk said...

Great feature, spammers have been using it a lot so they can wipe clean the first couple of pages of comments, and now you can't even report them for spamming. With the comment system being broken (I'm talking about comments past page two not being in chronological order, a problem m.youtube.com doesn't seem to have for some odd reason) you can't keep track of the discussion anymore.

Sorry, youtube, this "feature" simply sucks.

milograamans said...

Thanks for this feature! Came in handy...

Just after this feature came in, I wrote a comment, hit submit, didn't see it on the page, submitted it again, and then saw it twice...

So thanks to this, I was able to remove my duplicate comment

mikeyjolnir said...

People who should use this feature, won't, and people who shouldn't use this feature, will.

terarc said...

does that include comments to the youtube blog?

cartooner2008 said...

Despite being pretty stupid, it's probably the best update that Youtube's done in a long time.

DeanBurrito25 said...

About time.

Now allow the HD player to be an option along with the 4:3 player, please.

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coolkidz619619 said...

fuck thanks alot youtube D:<

Idude893 said...

This is an abomination. Now, people can remove comments that are against their point of views. Think of the Scientologists and conservatives deleting comments made by innocent people just trying to express themselves.

The Youtube comment boxes allow people to debate, and you just ruined everything

JudgeDeadd said...

"Now, people can remove comments that are against their point of views." What? Is something wrong with you? You can only delete YOUR OWN comments. (Also, nice job lumping Scientologists and conservatives together).

kunkuno said...

you know, some times what the people wants might not be the best for them

paypartyguy said...

Yeah cool guys, thanks, I was just thinking this morning on the way to work (yeah, I know, where is my life), "I wish I could remove my comment on YouTube".

I keep making these stupid mistakes when I write and always wanted to correct them. Great!

What next: I really think you should consider HD video or higher quality.

Also, would love to see the site with a nice Adobe-style grey background to the site!

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k87jury said...

This is destructive to your site. Please remove this feature as soon as possible. I like to communicate and debate on friendly terms but since the record of conversation can be changed and altered at will, it is worthless to debate.

lordtalon69 said...

Youtube seriously this is a horrible idea the way its currently setup. Especially on videos where heavy debate occurs. It is extremely annoying to see "comment deleted by author" in the middle of a argument thread. The whole re-write history thing is right. You all need to set a time limit on deleting a comment like DIGG and other sights do. Please take this into consideration. I've already seen one persons video where every other comment is deleted by author its just annoying.

Thanks for your time and consideration of this matter. Also do not allow editing. That allows for a true re-write of history in a debate thread.

mcfly17 said...

did anyone else notice that the people who think that this is a good feature are the same morons who seem like they are going to need to use it a lot?

Cainer666 said...

This "feature" is brutal -- this renders all debate and conversation on YouTube useless -- accountability is gone.

Brewhahh said...

Real bad idea, no point in commenting on someone's stupidity anymore, because when you do they delete the evidence. /clap youtube.

UAINTFUNE said...

Well....I guess these comments tell you that this feature will be gone quickly. And rightfully so, cuz it blows. "Mister Pink"

icambaz2 said...

very nice thanks

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kunkuno said...

a edit option with a time limit would have been way better, but instead this idea would break the flow of a debate.
just a couple of minutes is enough for someone to fix their typos or change and idea.

ct1600 said...

I agree with brewhahh. This idea/feature is ill advised, and has not been thought thru. IMO, someone can post something inflamatory then after others reply? Delete it and make repliers look like they're nuts. It will also interrupt the flow of conversation in the comments section.

Frank

www0ratiomaster0tk said...

ok

SuspendedSwish said...

I don't think this is a good idea because it gets really confusing when people delete their own comments. Sometimes, you don't even know what the comment was!

Plus, YouTube is a place where people can share ideas and thoughts. People shouldn't be allowed to remove their comments.

SuspendedSwish said...

If you're going to keep the self-comment removing, at least don't allow users to edit their comments. That would be very confusing!

Let's say someone said something good at first. And then, a person replies by saying, "Yes, I agree with you." But then, the person might just go back and edit their comment to something that is completely opposite. I hope you get my point. Don't allow self-editing!

CadicusTheDamned said...

I find h8uall66's comment on this entirely correct:
"Finally! I was so sick of being accountable for the things that I say in YouTube comments. Now when I get caught lying about something I can re-write history and make it look like it never happened! This is going to make being a dishonest little weasel so much easier. Thanks YouTube! "
I have nothing more to add.

kunkuno said...

"or you simply said something you wish you could take back - now you can remove your commentary at any time."
I think its better if someone does something like that that person should reply his/her own post with something like "my previous comment does not represent my current opinion" or something like that.

sy1234 said...

Allow self-editing of comments. For the lulz.

iAstrophysics said...

Fuck you, Youtube.

shipiggle said...

....

MotionFur said...

Bad idea is bad.

aztecguide01 said...

<>Comment removed by user<>

mcfly17 said...

this feature is really a bad idea. it removes accountability. how are we supposed to quote what someone else said when the quote can be removed?

either completely remove this feature or make it optional for the creator of the video (with the default preferably being non-removable comments).

thank you.

TackyRackyComixNEO said...

Cool, finally, YouTube listens to something we ask.

But in all seriousness, how about adding the ability to edit a comment we posted?

rufusdogg said...

|Once again I'm still waiting for a way to report people for posting hateful and troll-like comments on videos for their own personal lulz. Do something about it.

I completely and totally agree with this. That is a feature that really needs to be added. There are so many videos that are on positive topics that people just kill with their hateful comments. Please add it. For the good of the community.

Sevegney said...

test

masterswoopo said...

Awesome I'm so fat fingered I'm always mispelling things and think god how stupid do i look now.

BetterThanYou2255 said...

fuck yes
you did something good
i am happy

rslitman said...

Please don't put a time limit, or at least one as short as five minutes, for the opportunity to delete comments. I sometimes find typos and factual errors in my comments (I do a lot of commenting on the subject of 1950s-early 1980s popular music), but sometimes it's a month or more after I posted them.

hbsjcd3 said...

Its nice but I can't find a tutorial on this.

nathanpitones said...

Wonderful update!! :)

shadowmwo said...

Nice

zac0617 said...

awesome, i'm going to try it out!!!

MarioLuigi191 said...

Finally!!!
next thing to make us happy is if you can remove widescreen!!!

Joeallday14 said...

sweet

h8uall66 said...

Finally! I was so sick of being accountable for the things that I say in YouTube comments. Now when I get caught lying about something I can re-write history and make it look like it never happened! This is going to make being a dishonest little weasel so much easier. Thanks YouTube!

HumanStrategy said...

Yeah 0 accountability for the empty assertions and so forth anyone can make.

This opens an entire new field of deception on YouTube.

vially2007 said...

very nice :)

dragonmusician11 said...

awesomeness

BeechSundowner said...

Good upgrade. It would also be nice to also edit a comment without deleting.

phoenixshade3 said...

Without some kind of time limit, I cannot agree with this feature. I think that users should not have the ability to remove comments once that comment has been replied to.

This "feature" gives users the ability to be unaccountable for anything they say. I know that I for one will quote and re-post any comments that I receive, identifying the original poster.

peter894pm said...

ok

Alinatore said...

Now that's a VERY VERY VERY good idea.
I am a comment editting whore (comments never seem to be good enough) and now my whorism can be satisfied.

speedygin3 said...

cool

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LogicalSanity said...

hmm i wonder if i can delete this one

Ateapotist said...

A horrible feature that will be abused by tons of people. A simple 2-minute edit time limit would've done the trick, if it really were necessary.

mdscinto said...

lawl

nhoover said...

Nice feature

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The3000Productions said...

Great idea!

dude7324 said...

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DavidWavidboBavid said...

good idea

koya25555 said...

nope, apparently I can't :0)

Spartan1841 said...

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koya25555 said...

wonder if I can remove this comment :)

MrCj822 said...

yay

RadicalComedy said...

Hey YOutube, I have been here for 3 years and this is the first feature that I dont personally agree with. When it comes to slander or hateful purposes, the ability to be unaccountable is now removed. I imagine people will take advantage of this feature but I can only try and be positive about it. ~Raven

LoveandEqualityToAll said...

Love and equality for all/ Amor y igualdad para todos

theskorpionshow said...

I thinks a great feature but I can't delete my comment here lol

MrCj822 said...

test=fail

mandy00198 said...

good idea

chefivana said...

test

trevor813 said...

Quadunit404 (1 hour ago)
HOLY CRAP. THE YOUTUBE TEAM ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING GOOD. NOW MAKE IT SO THAT WE CAN UPLOAD VIDEOS MORE THAN 10 MINUTES AGAIN.

it should be for everyone so i agree with you

BrickHouseSecurity said...

test

graftedinbyYeshua said...

Just so you know, it doesn't always work. Needs more work, to get rid of the glitches.

koalastephanie said...

Finally!!! What take ya guys so damn long

louster200 said...

Yah

Zintos446 said...

this is the only good thing youtube has done in years

madebymarco said...

how bout the channel comments? can you delete them?

toymasheenSH said...

Once again I'm still waiting for a way to report people for posting hateful and troll-like comments on videos for their own personal lulz. Do something about it.

Flint2007 said...

I think this is a great idea. I hate to leave curse words I have made during the past 2 years up. I am going to delete them!

smohkim said...

At Last!!!

FlippyCat said...

I think the original comment should be displayed to video owners still instead of the current message that makes you wonder what was said and by whom (unless you've already got it in an E-mail notice).

kani92 said...

thank god!

hbsjcd3 said...

Great feature. much needed! Thanks Yourtube team!

LookB3hindU said...

this is off topic, but would like to point out that as a film student if I'm not mistaken amateur videos such as user creations on YouTube are protected from copyright laws. As there is no profit intent the videos supply word of mouth advertising.

Now you could delete this post which is great, but I just wanted to point out that a great deal of your users will be leaving your community if you feel your "Disable Audio" feature is necessary.

Just wanted to point this out.

DavidBaute said...

Really nice.
It should also be avaible for profile comments.

sillybob30 said...

test

shingo2302 said...

what about the audio preview feature? is it gone?

yaffle said...

Now nobody will ever have to look like a fool again by claiming to be the first comment on a video when someone else has beat them to it.

DFDSFUEIFH said...

Next, I want YouTube users to be able to delete spam comments.

luv4piggy said...

The test FAILED miserable!

LOL

Quadunit404 said...

HOLY CRAP. THE YOUTUBE TEAM ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING GOOD.

NOW MAKE IT SO THAT WE CAN UPLOAD VIDEOS MORE THAN 10 MINUTES AGAIN.

chewbacca942 said...

fuck you youtube.you just delete my fucking video. fucking idiots.

CraziiMonkie said...

but will the person still recieve a message stating the message you sent? Cause that's the embarrising part...

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vcts5678 said...

nice idea

FakYbiGspiN said...

ha ha ha pretty cool i guess especially for those really awkward times!

DavidBaute said...

Really good, it also improves privacy on the site. It should also be avaible for channel comments. And if there was a way to see all the comments you've made that would be nice too.

getfuckedagain said...

wow
the youtube team has actually done something useful for once.

makes a change;
try to continue not screwing up

RockrFilms said...

Some of these people who comment on this blog are just idiots. They hate on EVERYTHING YouTube does.
But this is a really good idea, I've been waiting for this for a while. I misspell a lot.. lol, thank you, YouTube!!!

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KWarren7 said...

oh thank god

i'm an idiot sometimes

succeedwithkyle said...

njn

DannysStudio said...

yay...no more getting in trouble with my comments :)

synstanzer said...

Awesome........however I wonder if one could cope up with the amount of comment lol

IncomeGDI said...

This is stupid.

JmanofAus said...

weee

Maruchela said...

I like that new feature. Unfortunately it only works in video comments, and I'd like it to also work in users channel comments as well.

aallalallalalaaa said...

big fucking deal googletube..what you really need to do is REMOVE the option to mark peoples comments as spam on videos.that is easily abused and people who make non spam comments are marked as spam.it is up to the person who owns the video to make that decision you stupid moronic cocksucking whores:)now and that also happens on profile comments.

Guitarfreak2312 said...

I'm sure I'll be using this feature a lot!!!

sukhbajwa1 said...

thank you i am new at this i need all the help i can get

shortGILLIEO said...

You could always delete your comments..

cookie4monster4 said...

Good! So glad it's finally here.

christheferal said...

BTW, it's not THAT hard to add a time feature, it's about one line of code.

an AJAX edit option would be good too.

christheferal said...

Can you add a time limit of say, five minutes before you can't delete/edit your comment, because there are a lot of debates that go on and then people will say "you said this" then that person may just delete their comment.


Please, add a time feature.

AppA said...

NOOOOO
Why add a feature that adds complete plasticity to the commenting system??

Imagine a history that is ever-changing by the will of others... not an idea I would like to see commenced...

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