Introducing YouTube HTML5 Supported Videos
A while ago, YouTube launched a simple demo of an HTML5-based video player. Recently, we published a blog post on our pre-spring cleaning effort and your number one request was that YouTube do more with HTML5. Today, we're introducing an experimental version of an HTML5-supported player.
HTML5 is a new web standard that is gaining popularity rapidly and adds many new features to your web experience. Most notably for YouTube users, HTML5 includes support for video and audio playback. This means that users with an HTML5 compatible browser, and support for the proper audio and video codecs can watch a video without needing to download a browser plugin.
Our support for HTML5 is an early experiment, and there are some limitations. HTML5 on YouTube doesn't support videos with ads, captions, or annotations and it requires a browser that supports both the video tag and h.264 encoded video (currently that means Chrome, Safari, and ChromeFrame on Internet Explorer). We will be expanding the capabilities of the player in the future, so get ready for new and improved versions in the months to come.
To try it out, go to the HTML5 page via TestTube or visit this page and join the experiment. This will enable HTML5 video for your browser, provided that it's one of the browsers mentioned above and fits in with the parameters we already referenced. (If you've opted in to other experiments, you may not get the HTML5 player.) You can also enable Feather watch (visit http://www.youtube.com/feather_beta) along with HTML5 video for an even simpler, faster YouTube experience.
We are very excited about HTML5 as an open standard and want to be part of moving HTML5 forward on the web.
Kevin Carle, Engineer, recently watched "Paranormal Cativity," and Chris Zacharias, Engineer, recently watched "Amsterdam Acoustics - Erlend Øye."
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While I'm pleased that YouTube is supporting these open standards, I'm a bit disappointed that Google isn't using Theora video and instead opted for H.264-encoded video. Will we see Theora support anytime soon?
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MUST-SEE documentary
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Google working with Mozilla to add h264 support for Firefox.
No Theora+Vorbis in Ogg? That's kinda sad.
First, hooray for responsiveness and moving towards open standards! Thanks for all your hard work.
While I too would like to see Theora used, I can't complain about the direction in which things are moving.
Being an advocate of a particular codec is fine, but bear-in-mind that in order for this to be adopted fully so that flash is no longer required in any browser to view youtube, Google has to convince every browser-maker to use the same standard.
Whilst I know that Chrome is the one, true browser, organisations likes Firefox and Apple may not want to use a particular codec for all sorts of financial, political or corporate reasons.
This means that you have to just accept what youtube is offering and be happy that the web is moving forward at all.
YouTube please use this for Firefox soon, I hate to keep downloading the flashplayer plugin, thanks. Anyways this is pretty cool, well done :D
I believe Google said when discussing Theora for the HTML5 standard that they did not feel it was efficient enough compared to h264 to justify using it and to be honest I agree.
Doesn't Opera 10.50 support HTML5 Video too? Because I downloaded and installed the pre-alpha and it can play HTML5 video.
Might as well go to Opera 10.5 pre-alpha and opt in to use HTML5 Video (beta).
*Reads blog entry a bit more* NO ADS ON VIDEOS?! OH YEAH NOW I'M GOING TO OPERA 10.5, POSSIBLY FOR GOOD!
Great and Great. This is a good new, because now we will watch videos without flash player.
It's ironic that the "number one request" for youtube says this:
"Support HTML5 open web video with open formats"
and it's done with mpeg4, which is not an open format.
I realize it's early in this feature but given that the licensing for mpeg4 isn't compatible with the royalty-free requirements of web standards, why talk about standards at all?
At this point it's a proprietary Chrome and Apple extension to the web, much like Flash is Adobe's proprietary extension to the web.
Hmm, I'm having some trouble with this.
I'm signed in with a google account, for the record, and when I click on the www.youtube.com/html5 link I am taken to an o3d demo that does indeed use html5 video. BUT, when I go elsewhere on youtube I am still greeted by flash video.
There does not seem to be any sort of accept page like there was for me when I started using the 'feather' lab.
YouTube, you even linked to the #1 idea which i submitted and it specifies using a Free/Open format! I hope you will either use Ogg Theora and Vorbis or hurry up with the On2 merger and hand those formats over to Xiph =]
In response to this comment <> -- having YouTube use any particular format is more than enough convincing for any browser.
I don't get any accept screen either, just the demo like M.
video player timeline doesn't advance on Chrome for Mac 4.0.249.49 (35163) beta
Yay! Standard h.264 support without the bloated cpu hog that is Flash! You couldn't ask for a better youtube!
Hopefully this means that mozilla will stop dithering around with dead-end theora.
Google should make an addon for Firefox, that adds h.264 support. This way Firefox will support h.264 and any legal issues can be avoided.
Theora isn't a dead-end format. H.264 can't be used for a standard anyway, you have to pay enormous sums of money to even include the codecs in the first place, much less the container format.
While H.264 is arguably higher quality at the same bit rates, Theora is relatively patent free, and insofar has had no patent attacks because On2 released a patent license for Theora that gave everyone the right to use all of its patents regarding Theora.
Mozilla cannot afford to pay the patent licenses for MPEG formats. Also, only one browser does not ship with Ogg support built in (excluding MSIE): Apple's Safari. All other browsers (except for MSIE) include the Ogg codecs in some form. So yes, using the Ogg formats actually would be a better idea.
Presto/Opera: HTML5 with GStreamer (includes Ogg only)
WebKit/Chrome: HTML5 with ffmpeg (Ogg and H.264/MP4)
Gecko/Firefox: HTML5 with Ogg
WebKit/Epiphany: HTML5 with GStreamer (guaranteed Ogg support)
WebKit/Safari: HTML5 with QuickTime (H.264/MOV/M4V support, can be plugged with Ogg support with XiphQT components)
"Google should make an addon for Firefox, that adds h.264 support. This way Firefox will support h.264 and any legal issues can be avoided."
It's not even primarily about legal issues for Firefox.
It's about content creators and distributors and other viewer makers.
The Web wouldn't be what it is today if every blogger had to pay a licensing fee to post images and text to a page. Video shouldn't require paying fees either.
"The Web wouldn't be what it is today if every blogger had to pay a licensing fee to post images and text to a page. Video shouldn't require paying fees either."
Do you live in a communist country?
Business drives everything, big business. If the web were invented today, I'm damn sure that a format would be devised by someone at Microsoft, Adobe or Apple that would need to be licensed by the browsers.
If someone invents a good technology, they should be able to make money from it. A good business, with a set margin on their product should be free to make tens of billions of dollars a year if the product is of sufficiently high quality.
Someone made an awesome video codec. Do you think that team, that company shouldn't be entitled to charge for it?
Netscape Navigator was a paid-for product.
If browsers were still sold today as commercial products I'd happily pay for Chrome as it's best-in-class.
In terms of h.264 being of "better" quality. I would point to
http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html
Youtube should ditch legacy flv support and support theora. Theora is much higher quality over flv.
Very few flash clients exist that can only play flv ( and not h.264 now days.
While there will be lots of base firefox installs that won't be able to support flv or h.264.
Just entered the Beta. Don't really notice a difference with HTML5 except the player takes a couple seconds to load. Maybe not noticing anything is the point though. Think I'll stick with the regular player for now though.
I am unable to view HD videos in this new format, hope this gets added soon. I am really hoping for a better format than FLV, as I am one to complain about quality, and the blurry conversion that Youtube does is simply unacceptable. Really hoping for Firefox support soon, and besides that, keep up the work! I can see this going somewhere.
So far I love not having Flash tax my CPU and drive my fans crazy. Please press forward and make it standard!
For those of you who got the 03D demo page, try again! The page got flipped a little later than we thought.
I just hope the On2 acquisition goes through and Google sources VP7/8 and ends this stupid format war.
It's just that the a few vocal On2 shareholders think On2's worth more, but don't realize that there isn't room for 2 ruling propriatary codecs in the world - h.264 is already the king of proprietary video codecs.
err, I mean "and Google open-sources VP7/8"
How'd I screw that one up? >_>;
Our support for HTML5 is an early experiment, and there are some limitations. HTML5 on YouTube doesn't support videos with ads, captions, or annotations and it requires a browser that supports both the video tag and h.264 encoded video.
British Army Rations
Am I doing something wrong or is the icky blockyness normal?
But, it doesn't work in Firefox because it's not an Ogg Theora encoded video :( so sad.
Great
now can you work on request number 2 which was to work on changing how DMCA's are handled?
Good God, Google. Way to miss the point!
I await Theora support or a favourable resolution of the On2 situation...
OK, it works on Chrome for Mac Beta. But I couldn't get it to work on Mobile Safari (iPhone).
wow. it work for firefox and the upload seem so much faster. how ever some video dont seem to work. i think any thing that not HD. i still see what do and dont work. any one with firefox 3.6, it should work for you too.
Happy to see YouTube begin to support HTML5.
Nice! Thanks!
Some of my vids are "HQ". Under the previous regime, clicking HQ gave me HQ. Now, no HQ and less sharpness.
I'll stick with it :-)
GoOoD
cool :)
Thanks google!! You broke my greasemonkey script R.i.P
ubuntu9.10+firefox3.6rc2+greasemonkey+vlc-plugin= youtube WIN!
2% processing power!!
For the love of god... give us the option to remove the damn featured videos from our page...
OGG Theora plz =)
Chk for http://air.mozilla.com/ to view HTM5 videos... i think they latest RC2 version has enabled..
Ryan: Google working with Mozilla to add h264 support for Firefox.
* No?
badgaz1: I believe Google said when discussing Theora for the HTML5 standard that they did not feel it was efficient enough compared to h264 to justify using it and to be honest I agree.
* Uhh.. No? Comparison posted earlier: http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html
I think you've only seen Theora videos encoded from *already encoded* videos, probably with v1.0 instead of v1.1 of the codec (v1.1 is better and still compatible).
Daniel: Yay! Standard h.264 support without the bloated cpu hog that is Flash! You couldn't ask for a better youtube! Hopefully this means that mozilla will stop dithering around with dead-end theora.
* What dead end? You mean the reversed legal dead end (on the h.264 side)? Feel free to pay for Mozilla's license if you wish.
twodigits: Google should make an addon for Firefox, that adds h.264 support. This way Firefox will support h.264 and any legal issues can be avoided.
* Then it's still a plugin! And you can't trust that everybody will have it either.
Asa Dotzler: "Google should make an addon for Firefox, that adds h.264 support. This way Firefox will support h.264 and any legal issues can be avoided."
It's not even primarily about legal issues for Firefox.
It's about content creators and distributors and other viewer makers.
The Web wouldn't be what it is today if every blogger had to pay a licensing fee to post images and text to a page. Video shouldn't require paying fees either.
* Indeed! If we'd have to pay to use math, pay to walk on the roads and pay for anything that somebody else may have done before, we'd be stuck in 1850.
Khalid: "The Web wouldn't be what it is today if every blogger had to pay a licensing fee to post images and text to a page. Video shouldn't require paying fees either."
Do you live in a communist country?
Business drives everything, big business. If the web were invented today, I'm damn sure that a format would be devised by someone at Microsoft, Adobe or Apple that would need to be licensed by the browsers.
If someone invents a good technology, they should be able to make money from it. A good business, with a set margin on their product should be free to make tens of billions of dollars a year if the product is of sufficiently high quality.
Someone made an awesome video codec. Do you think that team, that company shouldn't be entitled to charge for it?
Netscape Navigator was a paid-for product. If browsers were still sold today as commercial products I'd happily pay for Chrome as it's best-in-class.
* 1: Nope. I think. I, personally, live in Sweden.
2: NO! IT DOES NOT! Google was invented in a garage! Linux and a thousand other great things was invented by enthusiasts! Linux and a whole big bunch of other software are 100% FREE AS IN FREEDOM! And has it hurt anything besides Microsofts income (they are not poor yet)? // Silverlight? Yes, there's a license, but no, they don't license it to others even though not-so-compatible Moonlight exists.
3: Of course people should be able to make a living on making useful things, but that does not mean that they should be able to enforce closed non-standards on everybody and force them to pay. Video in a browser is not a concept that any sane person ever would be willing to pay for as concept. Maybe pay for movies, etc, but not for *playing video in the browser*. It's just too obvious to be patentable, any other format and standard could replace the existing ones. And nobody should be free to force people paying the development costs*1000 when they don't even want the product.
4: If people CHOOSE THAT CODEC, then YES, THOSE PEOPLE could be forced to pay. But WHAT IF I REFUSE to use it? Are you gonna make me pay for it anyway?
5: Yes it was. And then it became Mozilla, and the source code became free. And nobody regrets it.
HTML5 and flash-less, great!!!
But why not the unpatented Theora?
http://www.theora.org/benefits/
Well hurry up and include H.264 support because I use it to encode all my videos
A SHAME!
Ogg Theora is the standard used by Firefox, patent-free and better than h.264.
This is not a good move by Google/YouTube.
I encourage to boycott this push against Ogg Theora/HTML 5 wich is already specified.
That's a nice start, now give us Theora please:)
PS:I understand that you guys already had everything in mp4 already because of iPhone and that this was the quickest solution. I am not asking for mass video conversion for Theora overnight. But at least for new uploaded videos Google could start generating Theora versions too, since the demand seems to be getting higher :)
I'm fine with using h.274, but the Flash based YouTube player was just updated and I have a question about it: There are two different versions of it, one with a slider that doesn't show you the time when you mouse over it, one that does. Why are there two different players?
You are sending wrong code to the Opera browser: in "browsers that support both the < video > tag" you don't escape the < and > characters! I can see they are properly escaped in the versions you send to Firefox and Chrome.
Never mind for now that an incompatible codec is used, at least the basic HTML should be correct...
Number one request is not really 'do more with HTML5', it's about supporting open formats, which means using Theora, and the HTML5 video element instead of Flash.
Good first step, though!
It's exciting to see that the HTML5 player is advancing. Hope we will see more improvements to it soon. I also hope the browser developers get it right so we can have as smooth playback as in normal video players.
One argument to favor H.264 could be that some machines already have hardware decoding for it. This would also allow a very low power consumption.
While I'd prefer theora/vorbis, I much prefer H.264 through HTML5 to Flash. Thanks guys.
too little and too late ... http://www.0xdeadbeef.com/weblog/2009/11/bringing-theora-to-youtube-the-hard-way/ rocks :D
No, seriously no. 1 request wasn't "switch supporting Apple & co. instead of Adobe" (h264 instead of flash), but "Support HTML5 open web video with open formats".
Try again, please!
Use Theora/Vorbis please. Use open formats and let the Web be free and available for anyone.
Duh, the encoding of the brackets in '< video >' depend on the preferred language I send in the http-accept header. Please fix...
That's not really better. The users wanted html5 with FREE formats. A lot of more users use firefox than safari/chrome.
First of all - this is great. If YouTube were to make HTML5 video the default, whole slews of websites would follow suit. You could make the Internet a better place in one fell swoop.
That said, please see Asa Dotzler's article from June 16 2009 entitled "theora video vs. h264"[1] (and the links it contains[2][3]) for a fair and unbiased view of the format. Then I suggest you read a rather pertinent article on "The Official Google Blog" (you might have heard of Google) from December 21 2009 entitled "The meaning of open"[4].
Ogg Vorbis/Theora is a competitive alternative and it is improving by the month. Supporting an open format would lead to many more opportunities, both creatively and technologically for all parties involved in web video.
As I said, I would be elated if YouTube actually implemented HTML5 video across the board. All I ask is that you take this chance to make an equally important shift for the Open web.
Follow your own company's advice: "If there are existing standards for handling user data, then we should adhere to them. If a standard doesn't exist, we should work to create an open one that benefits the entire web, even if a closed standard appears to be better for us (remember — it's not!)."
[1]: http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2009/06/theora_video_vs.html
[2]: http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html
[3]: http://people.xiph.org/~maikmerten/youtube/
[4]: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/meaning-of-open.html
Great to get rid of Flash, thank you for this.
But please, use Theora!!!
Another vote here for actually doing the right thing: use an open standard.
Okay I admit Theora is really great codec but come on. It's not for masses. It's geek tech and I'm pretty sure it will never be a big thing. I'm video maker and have been using different professional softwares for years and nowadays every software more or less supports H.264. There are tons of hardware which decodes H.264 (Playstation 3, iPhone, new televisions, mediaplayers etc.). So for Youtube H.264 is absolutely best way to go. This way Youtube can easily just build some different frontends for TV sets, consoles etc..
Please help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZqc7cbOom8
Google, THANK YOU for taking the most decisive step yet in ending this silly codec war and moving us toward a better web. Nobody cared about Theora entering the race as a dark horse, and utlimately, other than the evangelists over at Mozilla, nobody cares now.
And... H.264 is not an Apple extension. It's developed by a broad association of commerical companies and academic institutions... who actually expect to feed their families for the work they do.
Commenting primarily to agree with what Brian Peiris and others supporting Theora have said.
(Oh, and HTML5 is not currently a _standard_ yet--there's still time to ask the HTML WG to support an open video format)
Please use theora.
Seriously, it would be extremely nice if Mozilla actually supported CHOICE and decoded BOTH H.264 and Theora, instead of trying to grandstand an obsolete codec down everyone's throat for philosophical reasons. I'm not a huge Google proponent, but they really have it right with Chrome's support.
If I'm a distributor and I think that the added quality and broad application of H.264 is worth is, why should I be limited to distributing that in Firefox other than piping it through a Flash player? Mozilla should not be trying to speak on behalf of distributors and content creators. We've already settled on H.264.
H.264 IS A STANDARD. I like open-source, but open-source doesn't equate to standard, and being a standard doesn't mean it has to be open-source. H.264 is a ISO/IEC standard, period.
"It's about content creators and distributors and other viewer makers.
The Web wouldn't be what it is today if every blogger had to pay a licensing fee to post images and text to a page. Video shouldn't require paying fees either.
* Indeed! If we'd have to pay to use math, pay to walk on the roads and pay for anything that somebody else may have done before, we'd be stuck in 1850."
JPEG and GIF were proprietary formats, and people still post JPEG and GIF images to websites without paying fees. So if website can have JPEG and GIF images back in 1990's and early 2000's and people don't need to pay licensing fees for them, what make you think H.264 will be any different?
The Web has already become what it is today despite JPEG and GIF are not open formats. So logically the Web will most likely progress just fine even if people use H.264 instead of Theora, and H.264 will become what JPEG and GIF has become today.
This is a huge step in the right direction. I think it's unreasonable to expect YouTube to reencode their entire library in Theora, and I'm plenty happy that HTML5 support is coming sooner rather than later. It's a shame Mozilla chose to not support H.264, but I'm sure there will be some sort of solution for my browser of choice soon (hopefully one that doesn't involve Flash).
It' a good news that google will use HTML5 video but, H.264 is patented* so it's not a good idea to use it.
Theora** is a good and free codec why not using it ?
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC#Patent_licensing
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theora
http://www.theora.org/
Great news, but the /html5 page is screwed up because you haven't escaped the angle brackets in '...support both the tag in HTML5...'. A bunch of the text is missing.
Clearly format support is a work-in-progress, and will be until HTML5 gets an officially-supported codec or three. Why would YouTube go through the effort of converting its entire library to Theora when there's no guarantee it will make it into the final standard?
The long-term solution is for Google to open-source VP8, convert all of YouTube's videos to it, and convince the world that it's the best codec for tag support -- but that's a long way off.
Until then, I'd just be happy if the HTML5 player had the same video quality as the Flash player. For now, HTML5 videos are very blocky and low resolution. :-(
MPEGLA is around the corner, will start collecting royalties in 2010:
http://i5.be/al2
Why does Google and Youtube do not favour a royalty-free format?
And force all the users to pay for a decoder?
Theora is the de-facto standard for HTML5 video. Why a patented format, Google, why?
Unfotunately, the way it shows videos in html5 is intolerable, in my case in quickly "downloads" the whole video and the video is being shown as a bunch of frames that dont come one from another but quickly shatter the whole thing. All in all, this is not READY YET
There is nothing wrong with H264. It's a clean, well established format.
Why are there always the minute (loudly vocal) crowd, we really want Ogg Vorbis or Theora, no huge company is going to use a format which is not 100% complete or standard. It's not about your personal preference, it't about ease of use, implementation, adoption and availability (Not to mention encoding time, and compression ratios).
We may hate Flash, but most people have it. HTML5 is a great way to be ridding us of this monster (or at least a step in the right direction)
To be completely honest youtube is now an absolute joy to use on Safari...
Thanks Google and YouTube.
Now all we need, is the Firefox team to get over themselves, and integrate ffmpeg, for instant support of every format out there!
But I bet they will bitch and scream again, mentioning some “non-freeness” of H.264, despite nobody having cared about GIF support or anything, and ffmpeg being free and with H.264 support.
hope Google tells them: Either you support it, or the money deal ends right now.
http://tinyogg.com
Pretty nice to convert to ogg for firefox.
Wanted to add too - my comment on the quality achieved so far in the Chrome has nothing to do with the generally right idea of having the HTML5 standard rid of any heavy plugins. As soon as the test stage is over and the product is ready, it will be a really good thing to go with
Patent unencumbered formats please (e.g. Theora)
I just tried it and I'm happy to report that it works beautifully. My ancient laptop has never been able to display YouTube videos smoothly... until today. (running Chrome on Fedora 11)
What a rare treat that my computer actually got a little bit faster with age!
I too hope for a widely supported open video format someday, but this is a giant leap in the right direction. Thanks Google!
Can I upload vids longer than 11 minutes now?
"We are very excited about HTML5 as an open standard"
Errm, H264 is NOT an Open Standard. I won't use using this until your HTML5 Video is Theroa
Включился в эксперимент :)
Next step Patent free formats!
In order for this to work properly, we need Ogg Theora support. It's great if you want to provide H.264 for alternative browsers, but to alienate so many Firefox users is a really bad move. I for one am hugely disappointed.
Nice! Now please add a full-screen button and I'm happy.
Theora, please. Open means open.
The point of using H.264 is the vast array of hardware supported decoders out there, everything from graphics cards to iphones to xboxes ....
I have nothing against Theora, all for it, but it will take years to build up an installed user base of devices offering hardware supoprt for decoding, H.264 is there today
To all those complaining about no ogg/theora, keep in mind that at least for now, google has to be able to use both flash AND html5 concurrently, and flash does NOT support ogg, but it does support h264. H264 is a common codec between html5 and flash, allowing google to transition to html5 playback without having to re-transcode and store all those millions of videos. It's just not practical for google to switch to a codec not supported by flash until its possible for most of its audience to use html5.
I see this as a good first step - html5 with h264 is better than flash with h264 at least, and hopefully google can transition to a more-open format sometime in the future.
Excellent start.
But agree with the comments that say "theora"-
Get it right from the start!
I understand the use of h.264 for the beta release, but I think you should remove support once you have encoded the videos in Theora because we want to force browsers to be locked in to open formats.
Wait, what?
Seriously, though, Theora's a great format and if you guys will have the guts to stand up where the HTML committee didn't, you'll do just as well if not better and standardizing it. I'd love to see a world where uploading a video to my site involved sticking a tag pointing to a Theora.
awesome! about to try it out right now!
Just tried it out in Firefox 3.6 RC2, and it works great! thanks yt. it's a good start, but keep working on it
Unfortunately, the requests of the public have been ignored. The web needs an open format like theora/ogg/vorbis, NOT H.264. Please, nmake a bold decision and simply switch everything to an open format. This situation is grotesque
I like it it needs some work. Its the video player of the future.
JPEG is a free format, although a rogue company claimed to have a patent that covered the format.
Unisys' questionable patent on GIF ran out several years ago. (Read the history up on Wikipedia.)
You should rather question why nobody is using the much more advanced JPEG2000 over the free JPEG format? Because its legal situation is unclear.
Some people claim that using a free video format is just about "philosophy" ... (how anything like philosophy can be used as a degratory term is beyond me) ... Do you think the web itself would have caught on if for example implementors of web browsers would have to buy the right to read documentation and implement it? We would still be stuck with Compuserve and AOL.
It has nothing to do with people that need to get paid for their hard work and hippies that create software for free. It is about a wide range of corporations, researchers etc. investing on an open standard for the betterment of all, including commercial possibilities. Even if in the first run it would appear that some technically more advanced implementations exist that require licensing.
Why people hate the Word format? Why people hate Adobe products? Because once your data is stored in a closed format you lose control over it, you can not change to another software for editing it, you are facing companies mainly trying to protect their income instead of improving their products.
This is why i love Flash going away and i will love it even more if the video codec used by YouTube, the most influential video site at the moment, will be a free one.
Please do not hardcode supported browser, because new versions are released each day. Please just use HTML5 features, and if they don't work fallback to something (flash) other.
you van read about it here http://camendesign.com/code/video_for_everybody
Theora Please
It's pure class you're using the video tag with a table based layout for the controls. Glad to see all these great advances in HTML are solving the problems designers face today.
h264 really is a cop-out, and unless Google has their own protocol up their sleeves that they are busy re-encoding into then they really should be offering Theora. The whole of the Internet has propagated thanks to royalty free standards. From TCP/UDP, to routing protocols, to HTML/XML. The whole point of newish standards HTML5 and SVG is to continue avoiding locking information into proprietary formats. This benefits middle-men like Google and YouTube.
Once a big player like YouTube supports Theora, (a) developers will have renewed impetus to improve its quality/efficiency and (b) hardware manufacturers will offer firmware updates so all devices will support it. It will at least provide a base-line which is 'good enough'. The next generation will be even better.
Phillip.
Theora + Vorbis (+ speex?) please.
How can you talk about open standards with H.264? When I checked (link not available) the #1 request was for OPEN standards using HTML5 + THEORA, and only a few that I saw explicitly requested H.264, while a plethora explicitly requested Ogg Theora. Apple's safari is the only browser I know of that supports but not ogg theora. More browsers actually don't support H.264. So if you want accessible content (and I'm sure you know that Firefox (for example) has far larger a market share than Safari) then please go with the one that your users (as seen in the poll) and web developers (as seen by browsers(1)) want to support.
1: Yes, I know Google also develops a web browser.
i don't get it, ads and fullscreen both work with this html5 player for me
All right, kill flash please. I'm desperate for that to happen, then we can move step-by-step away from proprietary formats/codecs.
Please consider Theora.
The priority for the web should be the open and free exchange of information, not XBox support.
This is a move sideways, not forwards.
When we said, we want HTML5, we thought you would implement it the way it show work. Instead you chose another format that you have to pay license fees for. Use Theora/Ogg, for God's sake!
Excellent news. I will start using this the minute you support an open codec.
http://people.xiph.org/~greg/video/ytcompare/comparison.html
I wonder whether google will react to the overwhelming majority of users who want an open codec or simply ignore them.
Typical Google move, using their YouTube muscle to attempt to shove a proprietary standard down everyone's throat that, what do you know, works in their browser but not in most of the competing browsers.
Until there is Theora support, this is a joke. I will not use this until there is genuine HTML5 video support. If they eventually ditch flash for this format and do not support Theora, I am ready to just leave YouTube. I encourage everyone to take a look at competitor site DailyMotion, a site which manages to play videos via HTML5 video while supporting Theora. And I think Google has more muscle to get that working than DailyMotion does.
Thanks youtube team, I REALLY appreciate that!
http://tinyvid.tv/ is a good alternative !
Just my opinion, but the reason h264 is being adopted and not ogg is that there is no hardware support for ogg in anything.
Does this make sense:
1. Average Joe buys a Camcorder/Camera/Cellphone
2. Average Joe takes a 30 second clip of something interesting
3. Average Joe clicks "upload to Youtube" on said hardware
4. Average Joe then tells his buddies about that interesting thing he saw.
Now for point 1, no hardware supports or advertises that it records ogg. It usually touts supporting AVC or simply "FullHD" or some other marketing buzzword. Do end users care? No.
For point 2. The hardware records in whatever format the device supports, which is h264
For point 3. There is no re-encoding, no intermediate software needed.
And for point 4. Simply pointing his friends to the video should be enough, they shouldn't have to download a specific browser to view it.
At no point is Average Joe going to care what format it's in unless it takes forever to upload, and that's a problem for ISP's to figure out.
Posting something on youtube is faster and cheaper (if you don't pay by the GB for bandwidth) than mailing out a DVD or Blueray disc to everyone.
Oh, and yes, Blueray also supports h264. So do all the players. You can buy blueray players and televisions that support Youtube using h264.
So really, there is no format war, it's already been won by h264. If google were to start using ogg, they'd have to keep two copies of every video, one for the 100% of hardware support and 9% of browser native support(with maybe 100% mobile native support,) and one in ogg which there is 0% hardware support and only 26% native browser support (0% mobile support.)
Last time I checked, I could only play ogg audio files on my cell phone if I installed a plugin. The average person is not going to do that.
Why no Ogg Theora support? Although I am glad to see this since I used Ubuntu+Chrome on my Eee 901 I still use Arch+Firefox on my main computer.
Flash (beta 10.1 and alpha 64Bit) still runs like total shit.
A step sideways if anything...
If YouTube stood by the Google statement someone quoted above ('where an open format exists, we should use it') and started using Theora now, the world would follow. YouTube has massive potential to set the trend here. If YouTube used Theora as its preferred codec, then there would be a clear motive for hardware to start shipping with Theora support, and for all the browsers which don't currently support Theora (i.e. Safari and IE) to start doing so.
The browsers, and even the hardware, can add/change codec support within months. The choice between a free or a proprietary codec for web video will be with us for years. Make the right choice YouTube, please.
Most of the posts talk about switching to HTML5 and "open standards"
They are the reason that the web came to the place it is today, as well as one of the biggest reasons for the intense dislike of flash.
Though they may be arguments right now that h264 is better supported, support for open standards can evolve much faster when not hampered by legal restrictions. Please, use Theora or an open-licenced On2 codec in Youtube instead of simply switching proprietary technologies.
Down with Adobe Flash. Hurray for open standards!
Why is the HTML5 version of a given video more pixelated than the flash version?
AWESOME! Flash on Macs it's very terrible, it sucks.
Finally I can watch a smooth video on Youtube without it being choppy and crappy.
Foreseeable and great!
from Vimeo:
"Almost every thread on the internet about HTML5 devolves into some kind of flamewar. Please don't comment here extolling the virtues of open source or unencumbered codecs. We know, it's our job to know, and that conversation has been had a million times. If you really feel like you need to talk about it, please do so in the Feature Request forum. The simple fact is right now h264 allows us the most flexibility to display on many devices and many players with the same file. When that changes, so will we. That's all there is to it, thanks for your understanding!"
http://vimeo.com/blog:268
Dammit, YouTube! Use Theora, not h.264! Opera 10.5 doesn't support h.264, Firefox doesn't support h.264, Theora is free and open (which is what most websites supporting HTML5 use) and more supported than h.264.
Besides, wasn't the request asking for you to use an OPEN standard for HTML5 video?
Uh, where's the Ogg Theora support? Why bother switching from Flash if it's just to another closed protocol?
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Lol, not seeing much positive reaction here :P
I too hope this is only a temporary solution and that Ogg/better is in the works.
Great work on getting an implementation done, regardless of format.
One comment, though: I've only tried this on Chrome for Linux on Fedora 12, and the video appears terribly pixellated. The framerate seems a bit low, too.
Some things I'm noticing at first glance:
1. Why does the video have to get so small when you do a search? The space the list of videos normally takes up is just fine.
2. The video editing controls should probably be below the video with the action bar. After all, video editing is an action, right?
3. I'm not sure why a big section of the page turns light gray when you resize the video. Looks kind of odd if you ask me.
4. The buttons in the actions bar should all be clumped together. They look kind of strange spread out.
The interface will take some getting used to, but I'm seeing some nice new features.
"Support HTML5 open web video with open formats"
i would assume that using h264 directly contradicts the 'open formats' part of the request title.
I meant to post that comment on a different blog post. Blame AutoPager!
This is, without any shadow of a doubt, a step in the right direction -- that is, deprecating the Flash plugin. Obviously, the real goal here is to use video and audio codecs unencumbered by patents.
As another user here pointed out, there seems to be a widespread use of the term "philosophy" as a negative in reference to Ogg/Theora. I say, you're damn right it's philosophical, and it's the philosophy Google has claimed to stand for. It's the philosophy that brought you Firefox, Wikipedia, and countless other tools, not for profit but simply to make your digital life that much more productive and enjoyable.
In a real life use case, at the moment one cannot watch YouTube videos, or nearly any other video site for that matter, using a Linux box running on PPC hardware. Why? Because there is no PPC Flash plugin for Linux; there *could* be, but as that decision lies solely on Adobe, the owner of this proprietary plugin, it simply doesn't exist. With HTML5 Video + Theora + Vorbis, a plethora of old Macs that can no longer handle the latest version of OS X can be revived with Linux and can have the ability to do the kind of things we expect a modern computer to do -- in this case, play YouTube videos!
Though the above may seem like an extreme or fringe scenario, consider that there are many combinations of hardware and software for which Adobe provides no Flash plugin. This includes hardware such as ARM, Sparc, PPC, and likely others, as well as a countless number of Operating Systems alternative to Windows, Mac OS X, and x86 Linux.
Onward to true Open Video!
Some quote from googleblog, "the meaning of open".
It was just a "bla-bla" for stupid people who read googleblog ?
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/meaning-of-open.html
The meaning of open
12/21/2009 03:17:00 PM
"Open technology includes open source, meaning we release and actively support code that helps grow the Internet, and open standards, meaning we adhere to accepted standards and, if none exist, work to create standards that improve the entire Internet (and not just benefit Google)."
"Open Technology
The definition of open starts with the technologies upon which the Internet was founded: open standards and open source software."
"Today, we base our developer products on open standards because interoperability is a critical element of user choice. What does this mean for Google Product Managers and Engineers? Simple: whenever possible, use existing open standards. If you are venturing into an area where open standards don't exist, create them. If existing standards aren't as good as they should be, work to improve them and make those improvements as simple and well documented as you can. Our top priorities should always be users and the industry at large and not just the good of Google, and you should work with standards committees to make our changes part of the accepted specification."
This is great, but in Safari it doesn't remember my Volume setting, it starts at full volume every time which is a deal breaker.
Good progress though.
This is a good start but it's HTML5 + a proprietary format that some browsers can't use. How about going with HTML5 + theora so that all browsers will be able to use it! There have been numerous tests posted online showing that H.264 isn't really any better in terms of quality than theora, but it is more encumbered by patents and other legal issues which make it just as problematic for open source browsers and operating systems as Flash was.
Hi,
HMTL5 support is great but i like to see Theora too. I think its not about that much about the quality/performance of the codec but more about that everyone can use/implement it.
I mean whats the point in replacing a proprietary plugin with a proprietary codec? Thats not what the initial idea behind has been.
Requesting Theora support! Open standards FTW!
The real stink of all of this is that NOBODY would give a crap about Theora if it weren't for Mozilla deciding that they should make a religious crusade out of it. I mean, I'd be willing to wager that the majority of the people (certainly non-geeks) didn't even know what Theora was prior to Mozilla's holy crusade.
We were all doing just fine before Mozilla created the brainwashed Theora zealots who can't see past the simple fact that the H.264 is maintained by a broad coalition of companies who hold patents. What you guys should *really* be pushing is for software patent reform.
I mean, seriously... Mozilla has NO right to speak on behalf of "content creators and distributors and other viewer makers." We're doing just fine on our own, thank you. And we've already settled on an established, professional codec with hardware support that works well. Until you offer us something *better* than H.264, I'm afraid that price isn't going to be a compelling argument.
Just make your browser the best possible piece of software you can, and give people CHOICE to use the better codec or the free codec, and let the market decide which codec is going to win on merit.
Ogg Theora FTW! Down with H.264!
Kenneth said...
"""let the market decide which codec is going to win on merit."""
It's just about money not merite.
If google want to start to patented the web they will use h264.
If google want to keep the web free, they can use an open-codec like theora or Dirac
Awesome, no more flash! But replace it with an open video format support
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/meaning-of-open.html
I am glad YouTube got HTML5, but not using Ogg Theora is bad. The web should be open and accessible to everyone, not only to those who got a license to use h264.
Use the open codec. Keep the web open.
1. H.264 is not an open standard. It is a patent encumbered standard.
2. Firefox (25% of the Internet community) can view HTML5 video perfectly fine, but only with Theora. Adding a Theora source is absolutely necessary because it has a huge audience.
3. Theora has better compression for most of Youtube's content, helped by the high-quality audio codec Vorbis. It's nonsense to use another codec.
4. If, today, YouTube decides to offer videos only in Theora, and not in H.264, Apple will support Theora tomorrow. Google would have settled the format war and made the web open in a single day.
5. Mozilla, in turn, will never support H.264. Only providing H.264 will not settle anything.
I wish that the HTML 5 player supports HD soon
Kenneth, you are gravely misinformed if you think that theora is all about Mozilla Firefox. Firefox's native theora support is garbage on Linux and Firefox has become bloatware on every platform, to the point that I switched to Safari.
And yet I want Ogg Theora.
One of the most popular uses of the web these days is streaming video. If a proprietary format becomes the de-facto standard, the web basically becomes a funnel of money to the companies holding the patents.
I'm sorry if it offends you that some of us think that that's a Bad Thing and that we should expect industry leaders like Google to try to help avoid it. Of course, if Google doesn't listen, we have to accept it. But it'll be a betrayal of the trust and goodwill of a community that they've had an important hand in building.
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Google, don't be evil: Give us theora.
Thank you youtube
Browser usage statistics as of W3Counter:
Internet Explorer - 50.30%
Firefox - 32.00%
Google Chrome - 5.40%
Safari - 4.62%
Opera - 1.30%
Now, Microsoft probably won't implement HTML5 until IE10 or something like that. So, who's next on list? Firefox. Then Chrome.
Chrome supports both Ogg/Theora and MP4/H.264, so no problem.
However, Firefox only supports Ogg.
After that, Safari comes up with 4.62% with Opera behind.
Now, of those 4 browsers which implement HTML5, three support Ogg.
Only two support MP4. And those two have less usage when combined than Firefox. Therefore it is much more probable that an user with a HTML5 supporting browser _will_ be using Firefox, which doesn't support MP4.
Use Theora. Just because Apple wants you to use MP4 doesn't mean you should - look there, only 4.62%.
Sure, the iPhones and iPods all over the world… well, dump FLV! Then have MP4 for them and for Flash. Or better yet: Users won't like that their browser (in this case Safari) can't play YouTube videos in HTML5, and will grow angry and move to Chrome or Firefox. Then it will increase pressure for Apple, which will finally have to implement Ogg.
Just because Apple likes MP4 because it's based on their Quicktime MOV format or for whatever reason doesn't mean you have to listen to them.
Give me Theora or Give me death!!!
No Ogg? That sucks!
H.264 is a nice codec but crap because it's commercial crap with enormous license fees.
Without Theora this is basically pointless. If I want to go make a device now that uses YouTube I have to pay some outrageous license fees to do so. Really google? You want inventive uses of YouTube to be forced to pay gargantuan sums over in royalties? Or should you allow a more open scenario to happen without such stupidity. I see less stupidity being the better way to go.
Without OGG/Theora this just sucks…
Say NO to H.264 please. Use of Ogg/Theora is the only possible choice...
Use both formats. AFAIK HTML5 video tag allow specifing multiple formats.
And please do not use this shity browser detection. It can be done in simple way without any javascript. Search for "VIdeo for everybody".
@Quadunit404: Not true. Opera 10.50 supports multiple formats, depending what is supported in underlying gstreamer. For example under modern Linux Opera will supports about 20 formats (including Ogg Theora, MPeg4, h.264, flv, quicktime, divx, and many others). But gstremer is generaly not avaible fully for Windows. So Opera will only provide guranaty for Ogg Theora support and nothing more. There are some technical problems, but it is also bad to support too much codecs.
Best way is to just provide both formats (THeora and h.264) and browser will use this which is supports.
As somebody also told it is also interesting move to only support only Theora, and Safari in few days will also support it probably :)
We _want_ ogg support! It's not just a need, it's a will!!
Using free and open standarts will make the world a better place to live. Please support ogg Theora.
It is good that Youtube supports HTML 5 it is not god that Youtube supports H.264. Make the right thing and add support for Theora. You guys know it would make many people happy and make the webb a better place for everyone.
Wuz up
Finally rid of Flash!!!
Unfortunately I must notice that the quality of the videos is definitely lower than the Flash version.
Hope this will be fixed soon!
Stop strong arming Mozilla! Support ogg/theora!
I'm guessing it's a strategic move by Google to make On2 squirm about their buyout. Let me explain. On2 is the creator of the VP3 video codec. Theora is based off of the free VP3 codec.
Right now, On2 is holding out to get a better buyout deal from Google. Of course, neither side wants to budge on terms. Google could push something like VP7 or VP8 as say, Theora 2.0 if they owned On2.
But, going against their motto of "don't be evil," Google is trying to devalue On2's perceived worth by only using H.264, the competing codec in their HTML5 push on YouTube. This makes it more likely that On2 will cave and agree to lesser terms because they can see their future going down the drain due to the widespread adoption of H.264. Don't forget, they license their VP6 and VP7 codecs to Adobe for Flash video. When Flash loses dominance, their license agreement is worthless.
So, I perceive it to be Google doing evil to scare a company into their demands in the acquisition.
One problem, Some people will accuse Google of using underhanded tactics and being evil, like I am. Google is being evil.
Give us the OPEN standard option and we won't start an Internet war that ends with Google losing face with the open standards community. They are your most important asset. Remember, Android, Chrome, and ALL of your servers use open-licensed software and open standards. You dominate the market because you chose to embrace open-licensed initiatives. Don't betray all of those whose software, technologies, and licenses are your bread-and-butter. You WILL be stonewalled by that community, we are a fickle bunch.
this will make me stop using firefox if it wouldnt play in it :D
Happy to use HTML5 , but please encode with Ogg Theora.
Ogg theora NOW!
This is about the future of the web and of billions of people who'll be sharing their lives and thoughts through video in the next decade, not about some diminishing fraction of pro videomakers and specialized hardware owners for whom its ok to pay royalties to share information.
At a time of so much pressure on other critical points of the web's freedom (net neutrality, document standards, software patents, censorship by china and iran), it's less than ethical, and certainly risky for all of us, to threaten to cross the evil doing line on free standards for whatever momentary business advantage it may give.
Wake up Google!
Best,
ale
@Witek Baryluk
I have the Windows version of Opera 10.5, and I have been able to run HTML5 video on sites that use the Theora codec rather than h.264. Also, when I tried playing a HTML5 video on YouTube in SRWare Iron, which is based on Chromium/Google Chrome, it said I didn't have the needed codec there, either.
Positive improvement, but it's not good without support for open codecs. Please add support for Ogg Theora!
digitale wrote:
> Do you think the web itself would have caught on if for example
> implementors of web browsers would have to buy the right to read
> documentation and implement it? We would still be stuck with
> Compuserve and AOL.
Go even further. We a fortunate, that Von Neumann didn't want to patent his CPU/storage architecture since otherwise we would still be in a stone age of computers, paying license fees to some military hardware makers for any machine with CPU and RAM.
I'm along with all the other posters in saying that open source codecs need to be supported.
Speex codec, along with HTML5/SVG would also greatly decrease size and less bandwidth usage.
But what I would like the most is an application which can convert video's from H.264 to the native Open Source standard you choose to use on the client side.
Or even a useful tutorial how to do this using Windows Movie Maker, as I am assuming the move to H.264 is primarily due to the number of users submitting videos in this format (even if the request them to be played as Ogg or some other OpenSource/FOSS standard).
That way converting videos to the desired format is not taxing on your servers, reducing the cost Youtube uses on electricity/processing power while enabling us to format the video how we desire.
Another idea (though may not be applicable) is to use aalib to convert videos to before being moderated. Then a Nerual Net + DataMining can organize those videos into acceptable/unacceptable content for them to be quickly moderated by you, then further moderated by the community as how that happens currently or any improved ideas you may come up with.
No Ogg Theora support means:
thanks but no thanks, iam not going to change the browser to do youtube/google a favor.
For all you Theora freaks, Google used h.264 because that lowers there outgoing bandwidth and lowering that bandwidth and paying the bit og license fees is properly better going something that is license free.
Also think about the extra energy that is properly needed to use Theora.
rvt: You can address all complaints to those who patented something which is cheaper to implement. Let's say thanks that no one decided to patent quicksort, lest you'll be forced to use something more time and power hungry for data sorting.
Please add support for patent unencumbered formats like Ogg Theora.
Please at support for open ogg format
Thanks for supporting html 5 video. It's a step in the right direction. Now can we take the next step and support Ogg Theora?
Ogg theora is a standard that anyone including Microsoft, Apple and Google can use for free, it not like it is only free software that can use it!
firefox is the better
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security war
http://www.sec-war.com
Hello Google,
Whatever happened to the whole "Don't be evil" thing?
I'm very disappointed at the lack of support for Theora or another free video codec.
Where's theora? Totally useless without theora. I'm not switching to googles crappy browser so long as mozilla makes one that kicks its ass all over the sidewalk.
kisai said:
> Last time I checked, I could only play ogg
> audio files on my cell phone if I installed a
> plugin. The average person is not going to do
> that.
Nokia N900 has no problems with playing oggs. You can even run mplayer on it. The only way to promote a format - is it's usage. Hardware vendors will add ogg support in no time, if such giants as Youtube adopt it.
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You may painfully regret, only to realise that it is too late.
Distributing H.264 content requires consent of the MPEG-LA and the fee exemption for free internet delivery expires at the end of 2010.
Regardless if the fee exemption ends 2010, it is still patented technology. Just like choosing png over gif, where png is superior, but gif is more popular.
But in this case Ogg is more popular than H.264, so choosing Ogg is a valuable option when supporting your fans and customers.
Don't wait until 2011, and say H.264 is now free. It is still licensed in a way it is unusable.
And Youtube cannot choose to allow users to broadcast their videos in either .Ogg or H.264, as having a unified youtube video format is the pinnacle of its success.
But don't forget about HTML5/svg + speex for things like anime and cartoons. As videos which are hosted in this format are done so for an entirely different reason (like the difference between a .wav file and a .midi file--Compression/Quality is drastically better).
Google, we didn't petition for HTML 5 to use H.264. We wanted a codec that can be used by all browsers, including Firefox, Konqueror and many others.
Please reconsider.
We want HTML5 + OGG!
Vote for free codec here :
http://productideas.appspot.com/#25/e=3d60a
Please add OHH Theora support @ youTube. Support free internet and and dont make all your donations useless!
Yes, great, but what about the ogg support???
H.264 is very proprietary! Google normally does not do evil...
I thought Google is an advocate to open and free software.
Why do you guys use a proprietary video-codec? Doesn't make sense in my opinion ...
Google rides the Free PR Wave implicated by pretending to support Open Source Software. Using this H.264 shows once again how profit orientated and power adicted they really are. Well i hope youtube and google videos will die when they really start using this propietary code. There will always be a choice!
I'm not using Youtube until Google clarifies this. Ogg Theora should be a MUST to ensure web openness, and you are totally ignoring this.
Meanwhile, people, remember that Dailymotion is doing the right thing.
why not using the open ogg theora???
the mozilla foundation can't afford maying for proprietary codecs!
I thought Google stays for an open web. Well definitely not with H.264. 5million per year license fee doesn't sound like an open web standard.
the use of propietary formats as h.264 in HTML5 can avoid a lot of people than don't can or don't want to use these formats to view your videos.
Please use open formats as ogg/theora
Why? Because converting to Theora takes forever. Even if Google wants to do it, we wouldn't see it, because they'd be busy converting everything. Switching to h264 is easy, because everything IS in h264 already. Also, all portable players support h264. About none support Theora. Try playing HD content on an Atom CPU. Ain't gonna happen with just the CPU working on decoding. One needs hardware decoders to do that, and guess what: Hardware decoders only support h264. (Admittedly, since Theora seems to be less efficient, it might also need less CPU power to decode, maybe it's enough to be playable. Battery life would be abysmal in any case). Yes, I'm all for free formats, I only use Ogg Vorbis, but that is because all MY hardware supports Ogg Vorbis (and it is the best format), and I don't need to care about if others are able to play my files. A company like Google/YouTube needs to care about what people are able to play their files on. (Oh, and for video I only use h264, due to the quality.)
Btw., have you thought about the environment? Can you imagine how much hard drives have to be produced just to store all the additional files (h264, Theora, ...)? And the electricity that is wasted by converting everything?
(And yes, I am a Firefox user and thus won't be able to watch the videos with HTML5, either I will wait for h264 support, for Theora videos on YouTube or switch to Chrome. We will see. Firefox loose a lot of users this way.)
I do think that we ideally should move away from h264 due to the licensing issues... but it can't be done so fast. Be patient, I'm sure Google doesn't want to pay fees.
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>> A company like Google/YouTube needs to care about what people
>> are able to play their files on. (Oh, and for video I only
>> use h264, due to the quality.)
They don't, h.264 can't be used everywere.
>> Btw., have you thought about the environment?
Stop that Green Bullshit ! It's just marketing shit for naive people.
We need Theora
Why not Theora? I think that this is a wrong step in order to get global internet (free, if you want). Don't forget that web is now 2.0 thanks to the Mozilla Foundation (imagine a web 2.0 only with IE!!).
I'm sure that a change on the minds of Youtube's and Vimeo's team is to appear in order to follow the logical way.
How can implementing a closed proprietary standard with licensing fees be "open"?
A site like youtube deciding to go with H.264 will do more damage to Firefox and Open Source software than Microsoft ever did.
If everyone starts using proprietary video and audio formats with HTML5 then the web is either going to splinter, or it's going to go right back into the hands of the few big corporations who can afford to pay the fees. :-(
Please, make it able to run on Firefox! It's necessary to use open formats which are not pattent-depending and can be used by anyone, not like H.264. I think it's an awful idea and will not change my favourite browser anyway.
Will be boycotting all Youtube (and Vimeo) uploads and use until/unless they ditch patent-encumbered, proprietary H.264 for an open codec.
It annoys me that Google is riding the "open standard" wave of HTML5 while still implementing a codec which requires exhorbitant license fees to use.
You know where you stand when you agree to download and use Flash. This is far more insiduous.
Agree with soulgrind above - Google will do far more damage to the internet as a whole with this move than Microsoft ever did with Internet Explorer.
I's a bad idea... H.264 is licenced in contries like USA.
+1 @soulgrind
Why not using the open ogg theora???
All people... remember that you can vote in Google Ideas for OGG Theora.
http://productideas.appspot.com/#9/e=3d60a&t=ogg
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